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Taq
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Message 263 of 1482 (811462)
06-08-2017 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 11:02 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

Evoutionists and atheists hate opposition, and hate to add up numbers and do any math or study any biology or genetics....

Some theists and creationists suffer from a serious case of psychological projection.


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Message 266 of 1482 (811476)
06-08-2017 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 11:22 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

Back to science and truth and away from the snide remarks of unlearned men and women, who have no truths...no math and no science..including biology.

Here is the math of evolution and biology that you keep ignoring:

http://www.radford.edu/...ABLE_Workshop/Popgen_Equations.pdf

A 24 hour day is as long as plants etc can last without a sun for life giving rays..... The sun was created after plants, therefore its insane to make a day a million billion years.

Where is your evidence that the Sun was created 24 hours after the emergence of plants?


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Message 268 of 1482 (811588)
06-09-2017 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 6:47 PM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

Where is your past evidence that if you get an exact answer to your uqestion, you will take that evidence and rethink your religious affliation with evolution and atheism.

So you have no evidence for any of these wild assertions?


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Message 270 of 1482 (811618)
06-09-2017 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Davidjay
06-09-2017 3:52 PM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists have no science, facts or evidences so turn into one line deniers and run-away-ers.

Here are 29+ facts that are evidence for evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Where is your evidence?


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Message 393 of 1482 (827161)
01-18-2018 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by ICANT
01-18-2018 1:14 PM


Re: Giving This Topic Another Opportunity
ICANT writes:

As far as the beginning is concerned we will never understand that until we can ask one who observed the event. Until then we can only assume and guess.

Why can't we use facts found in the present to reconstruct the past through the use of the scientific method? We do that all of the time when crimes have been committed, even when there are no living witnesses.

Science does the same as just a few years ago the universe was said to be 8 billion years old. Today it is 13+billion years old with some going out to 20 billion years old.

What are these ages based on, and why do you reject their conclusions?

When someone starts figuring out how all the material got 5 miles deep in the earth to form the oil, natural gas and coal. We have used over 1 trillion barrels of oil and there remains over 3 trillion barrels in the earth. This oil is under 22k+ psi so it did not get from the surface to where it is today with the earth being the same size it is today. Where that oil is today was the surface of the land mass whether it was covered with water or protruded out of the water. That oil did not form overnight. It takes 98k tons of material to produce 1 gallon of gas. When multiplied out to the total amount of material needed just for the oil not counting natural gas and coal the number gets quite large. The earth is only so big and can produce only so much material per crop

You do know that the crust of the Earth is moving, right? Do you deny that the crust sinks into the mantle as it cools and increases in density? Do you deny that the weight of sedimentation also adds to the rate of subsidence?

You do know that sedimentation is an ongoing process, right?

As far as God intervening in our lives. He intervenes in the lives of those who have been born again and are members of His family. Those who have not been born again The Holy Spirit will deal with them trying to convince them of their condition and make the gospel available for them to hear. He will not coerce them nor give them a sign. He created mankind with the ability to know good and evil and to choose to believe in and serve Him. The Universe obeys His laws, the animals obeys His laws, and Angels obey His laws. Mankind is the only created existence that has a choice.

I can say that over the last 69 years of my life since I was saved in 1949 there are too many events I can look back on and see God's directions for me to not believe in and trust Him.

I will give 1 example here. Sometime in the spring of 1954 I was sitting in the rec-room drinking a coke and eating a pack of Tom's cheese crackers during recess and this beautiful young lady walked up and asked if the seat next to me was taken. I said no so she sat down. I asked her if she would like a coke, she said yes, so I went and got her one and a pack of crackers. She then told me she was trying to make her boyfriend jealous as she had cut her hair and he got mad because he belonged to a church that women were not allowed to cut their hair and he had told her not to cut hers.
About that time the bell rang ending recess and I had to go to class. Her boyfriend was setting on the porch of the ag building watching us all the time. Since he was my classmate and I had to go by him to get in the class room. He said, "I saw you sitting with my girl". I said to him Louis you can forget her I am going to marry her.

The day after graduation I married that young lady June 3, 1957.
All I know is that something told me this was the wife I needed. I did not know why but I do now. Ask your pastor what kind of a woman a pastor needs and he can probably explain it better in person than I can here. It takes a very special woman to fill the job of being a pastor's wife. My wife is the only woman in the world that could have been my helpmeet in what God had planned for my life. So he arranged our meeting and convinced me on sight that she was the one for me. We have been married now for 60 years and this June 3rd we will reach 61 years of serving the Lord together.

That is just 1 of thousands of events in my life that I see the hand of God leading me. So when someone tells me God does not exist I feel pity for them because they have missed so much in life.

What evidence do you have that God had anything to do with this?


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Message 402 of 1482 (827180)
01-19-2018 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by ICANT
01-18-2018 10:10 PM


Re: Giving This Topic Another Opportunity
ICANT writes:

You can, and when you do you are basing your conclusions on some assumptions.

What are those assumptions and why are they invalid?

What they think the information that they had told them.

What is that information, and why are their conclusions wrong?

You seem to think that scientists just sit around and yell out random numbers as guesses. This isn't the case.

I don't think the land material that dives into the mantel could survive the temperature to produce oil that you could get with a drill.

I don't see why it would need to dive into the mantle since the source rocks for known oil reserves are not diving into the mantle.

Sedimentation that comes from space above our atmosphere to the earth adds to sedimentation. Anything that comes from planet earth is just transferring material from one location to the other.

Why isn't transferring sediments from mountains to basins a valid mechanism?

Simple I was there and I have a few thousand other things that God has directed and blessed me with. How do I know God is responsible for all these things in my life. We walk and talk together all the time.

Why don't you videotape God walking and talking?


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Message 942 of 1482 (840841)
10-04-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 928 by ICANT
10-03-2018 5:02 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:

Time is a concept of mankind to measure the duration between events in eternity. It is based on the duration of the earth making 1 complete revolution in relation to the sun. Mankind divided the duration of that revolution into 24 hours, each hour, divided into 60 minutes and each minute into 60 seconds etc..

"The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom."
https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/second.html

You are simply wrong on this point.

You also have the problem of entropy. If time didn't exist then entropy would not exist. If entropy doesn't exist then biochemistry stops working. According to your own claims you shouldn't be alive right now.

I did not say anything about decay. The periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 does not keep in perfect sync with the rotation of the earth. It is close but not perfect and that is the reason for leap seconds.

Atomic clocks are not kept in sync with anything. They tick at a specific rate because of the most basic physical laws, not because the Earth has a specific rotational velocity.


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