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Dogmafood
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Message 29 of 1482 (782476)
04-24-2016 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


Immutable word of God
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This verse tells us that "In the beginning" is when the heaven and the earth was created.

The original text is

quote:
א  בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.

I have no clue what it really says but some have interpreted this to say “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” However, my Good News Bible interprets it as saying “In the beginning, when God created the universe,” and then there is a footnote that says “In the beginning...the universe; or in the beginning God created the universe; or When God began to create the universe.”

Why is the King James version more valid than any other interpretation and how can we discuss the nuance of Moses' story of creation without the original language of the text? I wonder if in a 1000 yrs it won't be interpreted as saying '14.5 Billion yrs ago there was a big bang'.


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Dogmafood
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Message 57 of 1482 (782569)
04-26-2016 8:21 AM
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04-24-2016 4:50 PM


Re: Immutable word of God
The KJV is the best English translation we have. Is it perfect? No ...

My point was that language evolves and a translation done a thousand yrs after something was written is likely to contain inaccuracies. Science is precise and creation stories are not. It seems to me that comparing the biblical creation story with what science has shown us is like looking for truth in the forecast of your horoscope.


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Dogmafood
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Message 70 of 1482 (782657)
04-27-2016 7:56 AM
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04-26-2016 11:25 PM


Re: Immutable word of God
How can you say science is precise concerning creation when science has to start out with some assumptions?

Science tells us about what we can see and about what we can infer from what we see. It uses language and terms that can be verified or refuted. While our scientific proclamations may not always be accurate they are usually precise and the method ensures that accuracy will increase over time.

It is analogous to a series of arrow shots that get ever closer to the bull's eye where creation stories are a shot gun blast that make lots of noise and smoke and hope to hit something. Science is the thing that shows us what the shot gun blast hit by chance.


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Dogmafood
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Message 86 of 1482 (782731)
04-28-2016 8:39 AM
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04-27-2016 4:42 PM


Re: Immutable word of God
But when it comes to the actual beginning to exist of the universe science is silent.

That is because science does not make proclamations that it cannot support with evidence. This is in sharp contrast to what creation stories do.

Science can go only so far back in time and it comes to a place where the math will not work so nothing can be seen past that point.

And that is a fact. If we cannot see then we cannot see. Speculation, while useful, is a poor substitute for observation.


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