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Message 1048 of 1482 (841378)
10-11-2018 11:24 PM
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10-11-2018 11:24 PM


Re: Creation
Guess that was not the same.

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Message 1055 of 1482 (841434)
10-12-2018 5:50 PM
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10-12-2018 12:10 PM


Re: Creation
I'll have to look that up. I have seen it though....

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Message 1056 of 1482 (841435)
10-12-2018 5:51 PM
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10-12-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Creation
No. The 360 day year is found in both Rev and in Gen.

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Message 1062 of 1482 (841493)
10-13-2018 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1057 by ringo
10-12-2018 6:03 PM


Re: Creation
Here are a few sites dealing with the issue I googled..
360 vs. 365 Days
http://xwalk.ca/360day.html
The 360-Day Prophetic Year

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Message 1067 of 1482 (841527)
10-14-2018 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1063 by ringo
10-14-2018 2:25 PM


Re: Creation
"Revelation 11:2a-3b
They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. ...And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days
Divide 1,260 days by 42 months and you will get a 30-day month. Twelve months of 30 days equals 360-days in a year. What is the meaning of this divine number in contrast with the fact that we know the time required for the earth to circle the sun is approximately 365.25 days?
When 1,260 Days = a time, times and half a time
In the Book of Revelation
Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days
Revelation 12:14
The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach
In verse 6 above, the time given is 1,260 days. But in verse 14, the time given is described as a time, times and half a time. This is most often interpreted as 3 and one-half years or 42 months. So verses 6 and 14 as noted above yield a 30-day month. Twelve months of 30 days equals 360-days in a prophetic year. The answer is that the Bible has been written with a "PROPHETIC YEAR" defined as 360 days in length. This is only applied to biblical prophecy. And it is important that to attain the 360-day year, you must let the Bible interpret the Bible.
When 1,260 Days = a time, times and half a time
In the Book of Daniel
Daniel 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time
Daniel 12:7
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time"
In both Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7, the time given is described as "a time, times and half a time." This is most often interpreted as 3 and one-half years or 42 months. When the prophecy of the 70-weeks is interpreted using the 360-day prophetic year, divine guidance appears to be revealed in human events from ancient history into the 21st century. In each 42-month period foretold, the earth is to be directed by unrestrained evil. The 360-day year makes for a good relationship between the books of Daniel and Revelation.
Genesis Supports the 360 Days per Year
Based on the book of Genesis, the calendar at the time of Noah consisted of 12 months of 30 days. At the beginning of the flood, the water came forth on the 17th of the month. Five months later on the 17th day of the month, the book of Genesis reveals that 150 days had passed. Dividing 150 days by 5 months supports that the early calendar contained 12 months of 30 days length. Therefore, the book of Genesis supports the 360 days per year calculation. Here are the supporting Scriptures.
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened
Genesis 8:3
The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days (150 days)the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month (5 months later)the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat
Since the book of Genesis is attributed to Moses by conservative scholars, it is credible that the 360 days per year was in use at the time of Moses."
From 3rd link I posted...

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Message 1074 of 1482 (841662)
10-18-2018 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1068 by ringo
10-14-2018 3:52 PM


Re: Creation
You are not in a position to say the calendar God used in Gen was not accurate for that day. A prophetic year is basically a real year in the future. It is also the way God counts time here, since it was that way and will again be that way one day. Hope you didn't think the 365 day year was here for long.

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Message 1076 of 1482 (841685)
10-19-2018 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1075 by ringo
10-18-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Creation
Or you in any position to claim they were wrong about hen and the future. You are a denizen of the present only.
Both the future and the past have 360 day years It is also the year used for prophesy.
We do know how God counts time, because He gave us Scripture which was verified true by Jesus.
I have every reason to know it will change for humans. Just as we know lions will eat grass. You have no reason to doubt.

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Message 1081 of 1482 (841748)
10-21-2018 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1077 by ringo
10-19-2018 12:08 PM


Re: Creation
Good point. So if there was a change in rotation, what evidence would it leave? For example, could it cause plates to separated and subduct and mountain building? What exactly is the evidence?

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Message 1082 of 1482 (841749)
10-21-2018 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1080 by dwise1
10-19-2018 3:46 PM


Ruling out possibilities
What is gravity itself were not the same? For example let's call our current gravity 100. What would happen if that was reduced in power or force to say, 97? Would this change the length of a year?
(Conversely, what if the planet lost a small percentage of it's mass for whatever reason in the past suddenly?)

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Message 1108 of 1482 (841860)
10-22-2018 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1099 by ICANT
10-22-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Creation
Yes we all know the current reality of orbits. The issue is the reality in the past.

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Message 1109 of 1482 (841862)
10-22-2018 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1083 by ringo
10-21-2018 2:30 PM


Re: Creation
Too bad the founts of the deep had ebbs and flows you may confuse for tides eh?

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Message 1110 of 1482 (841863)
10-22-2018 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1084 by dwise1
10-21-2018 3:35 PM


Re: Creation
Varving in the former nature would not fit into varving today. You have a one trick pony.
Seems to me, that I can't rule out that some relatively sudden change in rotation or orbit might possibly trigger some plate movement. It also seems to me that earth gained oceans of water in days. That would increase our mass and etc..no? I also have to ask that if there was any change in the nature of gravity, could that bring earth a little closer to the sun?

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Message 1111 of 1482 (841885)
10-23-2018 10:27 AM
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10-22-2018 4:30 PM


Re: Creation
No. In creation week days existed before the sun and moon.

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Message 1124 of 1482 (841946)
10-24-2018 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1120 by ICANT
10-24-2018 12:53 AM


Re: Creation
Eve was made too, no?

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Message 1125 of 1482 (841947)
10-24-2018 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1119 by ICANT
10-23-2018 11:22 PM


Re: Creation
Fountains from the inner earth that had a pattern of watering the earth at certain times were not springs. There was different times of the day, for example the cool of the day. No rain. So it is logical to assume some founts would have some ebb and flow.

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