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ringo
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Message 1161 of 1482 (842440)
10-31-2018 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1157 by creation
10-31-2018 1:55 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
One place? THE dry land..?
North/South America are dry land and Europe/Asia/Africa are dry lamd - two pieces of dry land that are not connected. "THE" doesn't mean one piece.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1164 of 1482 (842453)
10-31-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1160 by creation
10-31-2018 2:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Nothing in the bible says in any verse or chapter that which you claimed.
I didn't claim anything. I asked YOU for book, chaopter and verse to support YOUR claim that, "a lot of upheaval, continental separation along with mountains being pushed up, happened after the time of the flood."
creation writes:
Since many changes are recorded showing the world was different some time after the flood...
Show them. Book, chapter and verse.
creation writes:
...having the continents separated at that time fits well.
But it doesn't SAY that they were.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1172 of 1482 (842516)
11-02-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1165 by creation
11-01-2018 2:49 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Yes. Spirits no longer directly dwell on earth with man. Life spans reduced 90% or whatever. Trees now take years to grow generally...
I asked you for book, chapter and verse.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1173 of 1482 (842517)
11-02-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1170 by ICANT
11-02-2018 1:42 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
There is nothing in Genesis to suggest that there was more than one mass of dry land.
And there is nothing in Genesis to suggest that there wasn't. It does NOT say that all of the land was in one place.
And we know from reality that all of the land is NOT in one place.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1192 of 1482 (842653)
11-04-2018 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1176 by ICANT
11-02-2018 5:25 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Who said it wasn't scattered all over the place.
I'm pretty sure you have. Isn't that your misinterpretation of Genesis 1:9-10?
ICANT writes:
The earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
It was the people who were divided:
quote:
Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
quote:
Genesis 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11 continues with the story of the Tower of babel - i.e. the people were divided by language.
ICANT writes:
Do you contend that there was never a time when there was one land mass?
Pangaea comes to my mind.
According to Wikipedia:
quote:
Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras. It assembled from earlier continental units approximately 335 million years ago, and it began to break apart about 175 million years ago.
You can't pick an arbitrary time period and pretend that it corresponds with "the beginning".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1193 of 1482 (842654)
11-04-2018 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1178 by creation
11-02-2018 5:48 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Lifespans changed greatly look it up.
The only place to look it up is in the Bible. There is no corroborating evidence.
creation writes:
Spirits no longer marry women and have babies on earth. Look it up.
If you're referring to Genesis 6:2, what has that got to do with "spirits"?
creation writes:
If you send a bird to find a tree someplace there are no trees, and a week later it returns with evidence of a new tree...that is fast growth.
No, that is not evidence of fast tree growth. At best, it's evidence that the bird didn't find a tree the first time and he did find a tree the second time.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1194 of 1482 (842656)
11-04-2018 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1179 by creation
11-02-2018 5:49 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
However since the one place was a bible quote....
The only quote I've seen is that the WATER was in one place:
quote:
Genesis 1:9-10 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
It doesn't say that the land was on one place.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1195 of 1482 (842658)
11-04-2018 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1181 by creation
11-02-2018 5:53 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
You claimed windows of heaven are fairy tales. Like you know?
We know there is no "firmament" for there to be windows in.
creation writes:
As for upheaval, we see that in the world so it had to have happened sometime.
We also know that it takes a very long time. We can measure it happening on a year-to-year basis, so we know it couldn't have happened since the flood.
creation writes:
Many feel that mountains before the flood were smaller.
There's no Biblical basis for that. It's made up.
creation writes:
So the real high ones had to get here somehow, sometime.
Long before the flood - so the flood couldn't have covered them.
creation writes:
Looking at other big changes though, we can see that a lot of changes happened right after the flood period.
No, there is nothing either in the Bible or in reality to suggest any major changes in mountain height, etc. since the flood.
creation writes:
Another way to cross check this in the bile is to look at the future. I would say that the future, not the present is the key to the past in the bible!
The problem with that "key" is that it can't be tested until the future. You can't just assume that something will happen and then use that assumption as corroborating evidence.
creation writes:
Every island shall flee away and every mountain shall be made low, and a great quake will level all mountains and all skyscrapers (towers) on earth.
One good fit for this would be a rapid returning to the way it was in the past!!
Isaiah 40:4?
No. Even if that does happen in the future, that's no indication that it's a "return" to the past.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1210 of 1482 (842754)
11-07-2018 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1203 by ICANT
11-06-2018 12:52 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I said that in Genesis 1:9, 10 all the dry land was in one place.
And you're wrong. It doesn't say that. It says that all of the water was in one place.
ICANT writes:
You tell me the earth was not divided in the days of Peleg but the people.
So why did Moses say in the next chapter:
Genesis 11 tells the story of the Tower of Babel. It's pretty obvious that that's what was meant by dividing the earth. Nobody ever thought it meant a physical division of the land until continental drift was confirmed.
Edited by ringo, : Speling.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1212 of 1482 (842787)
11-08-2018 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1211 by ICANT
11-08-2018 11:02 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
The oldest map of the world shows a land mass surrounded by salt water, and dates to the 6th century BC.
Which would agree that the dry land was in one place.
It's an inaccurate map. It doesn't show the Americas at all.
ICANT writes:
What difference does it make what people thought or think today. The only thing that matters is what the text says.
I'm talking about what the text says. It is clear from the text that The "division of the earth" in Peleg's time was the dispersion of languages from Babel.
ICANT writes:
If you want to dispute what I said about the division of the earth and the separation of the people you will have to take the Hebrew language and show where the words mean the same thing.
There's no point in trying to discuss Hebrew with you when you're so confused about English.
ICANT writes:
Either dispute the text or admit that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
We already know that YOU don't know what you're talking about.
As I said, nobody thought of the continents being separated until continental drift was confirmed. That includes Hebrew scholars. Your version is NOT how Hebrew scholars read it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1219 of 1482 (842858)
11-09-2018 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1214 by creation
11-08-2018 3:42 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Noah knew when he saw that fresh leaf from a tree that the thousands of animals were no able to leave the ark. Fast growing grass and trees mean lots of food now. That is the best interpretation.
Fast-growing trees is not an explanation at all because there is no such thing as fast-growing trees.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1220 of 1482 (842859)
11-09-2018 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1215 by creation
11-08-2018 3:43 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
It says the water and land were separated. It does not say that continents were formed then.
Whether it was continents or tiny islands is not relevant. The land was separated from the water and the dry land appeared.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1221 of 1482 (842860)
11-09-2018 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1216 by creation
11-08-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Since sons of god are best interpreted as angels...
No it isn't.
quote:
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
quote:
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1227 of 1482 (843321)
11-16-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1222 by creation
11-15-2018 7:59 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
The title sons of god is best associated with angels in the OT.
"Best' is just your unsupported opinion. Another, more straightforward, interpretation is that the "sons of God' were the offspring of Seth - i.e. the "good" offspring of Adam, as opposed to the offspring of Cain, who were the "bad" offspring of Adam.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1228 of 1482 (843322)
11-16-2018 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1223 by creation
11-15-2018 8:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
So?? Of course the land appeared.
You claimed in Message 1215 that, "It says the water and land were separated. It does not say that continents were formed then." I'm just pointing out that the land was the continents.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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