Creation

Hi NONukes You are missing a big point and that is that I do not believe in a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.Since God is eternal I believe there was an eternal day (light period). This eternal light period was interrupted by the darkness at Genesis 1:2 when God created darkness. At the close of the era of mankind that eternal light period will resume.

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Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

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Somewhere in that eternal light period defined "In the beginning"
God created the universe and the earth. There was duration during that eternal light period just no way to measure it.

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Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

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God provides the light in the eternal light period, not the sun or any other method.1. God created the heavens and the earth in an eternal light period.
2. God gave the history of the light period He created the heavens and the earth in. Beginning at Genesis 2:4.
3. God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into that form and he became a living being. Genesis 2:7.
4. God planted a garden eastward in Eden. Genesis 2:8
5. God made trees to grow. Genesis 2:9
6. God had a river come out of Eden and divide into four rivers to water the land. Genesis 2:10
7. God took the man and placed the man in the garden to dress it. Genesis 2:15
8. God gave the man a command that he could eat from all the trees except the one in the midst of the garden. Genesis 2:16, 17.
9. God gave the consequences of death the day he ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:17
10. God formed the beasts and fowl out of the ground. Genesis 2:19
11. God cloned a woman from a bone from the man. Genesis 2:22
12. The woman was deceived and ate of the forbidden fruit. She gave to her husband and he ate also.
13. God kicked the man out of the garden. Genesis 3:23
14. The man and woman had two sons. Genesis 4:1, 2
15. The boys grew and when they came to worship God Abel apparently did what God had instructed them to do, but Cain did it his way which God did not accept. Genesis 4:3-5
16. Cain killed Abel the first recorded death on planet earth. Genesis 4:8
17. Cain had a son who he named Enoch and build a city and named it after his son. Genesis 4:17
18. In Genesis 4:18 there are 5 generations mentioned.
19. In Genesis 4:20 we have an 8th generation mention when you add the first man and Cain.
20. In Genesis 4:23 Lamech tells his wives he had killed a young man, the second recorded death on planet earth.
21. Then we have Genesis 4:25, 26 after 8 generations pop on the scene totally out of place in the story.All these things took place in the eternal light period that had not ended at this point in duration.If you notice there was only 2 deaths recorded.
There is no age given for anyone in these verses.All these people perished in whatever happened that caused the condition found in Genesis 1:2.

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Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

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Jeremiah saw the earth without form and void, there was no birds, no man, and the heavens were black. The only time that condition has ever existed was in Genesis 1:2When you apply occams razor it would be reasonable to attribute what Jeremiah
saw to be what had existed already especially since he spoke in the past.You on the other hand mentioned you thought this was future.The next time God pours out His wrath on earth it will melt with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:10-12. Words do not change their meaning because a translator chooses to use a different word to represent a specific word.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes Seems like you are the one doing the preaching.I think there were a few other things in the message you replied too.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes If that is actually what you are interested in then why not take what I wrote in Message 154 and go line by line and tell me where I am mis-understanding what is written.God Bless,

Hi NoNukesIn Message 99 you said:

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Perhaps you don't believe Jeremiah when he claimed that his description was of things to come and not of things past. Or perhaps there is even more of the Bible that supposedly took place on the Genesis 1:1 earth than just those parts you have mentioned so far. Or perhaps your argument is breaking under its own weight.

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I see no such claim by Jeremiah.In Message 111you said:

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I take it that you have no response to my question about the context of Jeremiah and elected to just go with your standard evasion.

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What question are you referring too in Message 99?I see no question mark or question to answer.I did provide more of the Bible that took place in Genesis 1:1 in Message 107Message 111

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Seriously, ICANT. Did I not explain in my post exactly how I understand what you meant? There is no description in Genesis 1:1, but there is one in Genesis 1:2. Hence you probably meant the latter. Just because I understand your argument does not mean that it is worth the paper it is printed on. I take it that you have no response to my question about the context of Jeremiah and elected to just go with your standard evasion.

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So in this message you are saying that the description in Jeremiah fits Genesis 1:2 and not Genesis 1:1.Then you refer to a question you say you have asked me. Message 155
You did finally ask a question based upon your assertion that Jeremiah was talking about a future event?It is your claim of a future event and not the claim of Jeremiah.But no the conditions Jeremiah saw would not exist in his lifetime nor has it existed in the future of his lifetimeBut the things Jeremiah mentioned had already existed in past time.Could you shed some light on when those events will take place?Your second question "Why do I need to ask the same questions and then complain about the same lack of response over and over?"I can not answer a question you have not asked as I am not a mind reader.Your third question "Why do you even bother responding without answering the question, or at least telling me why the question is invalid? ".When there is no question there can be no answer to a question. You have not been remotely clear about anything other than your disdane for God's Word.Do you have any questions hiding somewhere that I have not answered?God Bless,

Hi Faith I have studied Pember but have not read Barnhouse.
You might find Custance interesting. The Arthur C. Custance CentreBut I do not believe in a gap of any kind.

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Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

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According to this verse everything had to be completed in six light periods and six dark periods. With God ceasing creating at the start of the seventh day.Everything in Message 154 took place in the light period (day) God created the heavens and the earth that had ended with the dark period at Genesis 1:2.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.Edited by ICANT, : spellingEdited by ICANT, : fix quote

Hi Faith That is the problem a lot of people think.
Everytime I think I get into trouble, so I try not to think.My belief has been with me since 1949 when I was 10 years old.
It was simple enough that a 10 year old could understand it.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.Man one formed from the dust of the ground.Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.Genesis
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.Man twoGenesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.Man 1First life form on earth, day one.
Placed in a garden.
Forbidden from eating the fruit of one tree.
Woman formed from a bone of the man.
Died in the same light period he was formed from the ground.
No generations listed as in Genesis chapter 5.Man 2Mankind of Genesis 1:27 created after all other life forms.
Created male and female on day six.
Never placed in a garden.
Never forbidden from eating any fruit.
The generations of this man given in Genesis chapter 5.So I don't think the Bible says what is recorded above.I just believe and accept it.Now if you want to try to convince me the Bible does not say what it says you may try. But don't be surprised if I believe the Bible rather than believe you.God Bless,

Hi arach Where can I find a list of construct endings?For a noun to be in the construct there must be one noun followed by a second noun. The first noun is in the construct Here you have a noun following a noun and that makes a construct chain placing the first noun beginning in construct making your translation of Genesis 10:10 almost correct. But you forgot the conjunction.In Genesis 1:1 you have a noun followed by a verb, followed by a noun, followed by the sign of the direct object, followed by a noun, followed by the sign of the direct object, followed by a noun.There are no two nouns in a chain to form a construct chain. But Biblical Hebrew had no vowels.God Bless,

Hi herebedragons I did not skip anything.I only got to the darkness found at Genesis 1:2 which had ended the light period of 'day one', in which all the things I mention took place.God Bless,

Hi Faith No.Mankind was created in Genesis 1:27.A man was formed from the dust of the ground. Genesis 2:7.There was only one creation of modern mankind.jar is correct in a way. There is a creation story in Genesis 1:1 and it's history recorded in Genesis 2:5 through 4:26.Most Hebrew Scholars agree that there is 2 stories.But the story in Genesis 1:2 through 2:3 has only 2 creation events in it. The fish in Genesis 1:21 and the mankind in Genesis 1:27.I know you believe that there is only one story.But how do you reconcile that in Genesis 2:7 the man is formed from the dust of the ground before any other living creature and the mankind created in Genesis 1:27 is created on the sixth day after all other living creatures.Since you dismiss my presentation as the misguided beliefs of a young child why not take my message you are replying too and go event by event and show me where the Bible does not say what I say it says.If you are correct and I am wrong that should be a very easy task.Humor a little child's belief.God Bless,

Hi arach What makes a kal perfect verb a noun?A verb has to have a suffix added to it to make it a noun.Your reference shows a noun followed by a noun. But the first noun is not in the construct state because it has a feminine suffix ending on it. But most all nouns are constructed out of verbs. Your circular reasoning will not get the job done.You say the first noun is in the construct but there is no noun following it to make it into the construct. Yet the verb following the noun must be a noun as the first noun is in the construct.That is a vicious circle.Give me a list of suffixes that makes a noun in the construct.God Bless,

Hi jar, jar believes there are 2 stories regardless of what he believes they are about.God Bless,

Hi arach Give me the specific suffix in your link that turns the first noun in Genesis 1:1 to a construct.I will get to the rest of the message later, going to church now.God Bless,

Hi arach What makes the verb in Genesis 1:1 an infinitive? OK The verb בְּרֹא is kal perfect 3ps. No suffix. Why? But Rashi requires the use of Masoret vowel pointing system to be able to make it construct.There was only consonantal vowels in Biblical Hebrew. But an ית suffix does not exist on the link there.Unless you are referring to the irregular construct of house ית־ as it has a maqqef which still requires a noun to be attached to the maqqef.God Bless,

Hi arach Why?God Bless,

Hi arach Wrong. The phrase "These are the generations of" appears in the Bible 17 time and all 17 times it precedes the list of the generations. So why are you trying to put it after your version of the generations?