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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: We have ways of measuring the length of a year. A year is a artificial name given to the duration it takes for the earth to make a complete revolution around the sun.
ringo writes: We have ways of determining how much the length of a year changes with time. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to adjust our clocks and calendars to keep in step with the cosmos. The length of a year can change.The length of a day can change. The length of duration can not change. The only thing that can change is the length between events in duration. That is the reason time is a concept developed by mankind to measure the duration between events in eternity. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
There's no reason why a pigment can't wash off, as long as it's water-soluble or you have an appropriate wetting agent. A pigment is just "something" that reflects light of a prticular colour. It is pigment so it don't wash off. It has to wear off.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Non sequitur. The fact that we have arbitrary names for certain slices of time does not mean that time is "just a concept". As it turns out, time is a real "thing", which is interwoven with length, width and height. A year is a artificial name given to the duration it takes for the earth to make a complete revolution around the sun.... The length of a year can change.The length of a day can change. The length of duration can not change. The only thing that can change is the length between events in duration. That is the reason time is a concept developed by mankind to measure the duration between events in eternity. It's odd that you think red is a real thing and time is not.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: You are not in a position to say the calendar God used in Gen was not accurate for that day. A prophetic year is basically a real year in the future. It is also the way God counts time here, since it was that way and will again be that way one day. Hope you didn't think the 365 day year was here for long. God did not have a calendar anywhere in the Bible. God gave the definition of a day.
quote: God called a period of light "Day".Since God is light it has never been dark where He is. "The Day of the Lord" that has been referred too has only ever been one light period that has existed eternally in the past and will extend eternally into the future. We have days, weeks, and years but God has "NOW". God created darkness for mankind and the earth.
quote: God went on to say the evening of that first light period (which we find at Genesis 1:2) with the period of darkness that ended with the following morning (sunrise) was "Day One". Not first day as mistranslated by the KJV translators. The Hebrew word used in Genesis 1:5 is אחד and is the Cardinal number one. The Hebrew word ראשון is the Oridinal number 'first'. The Cardinal number is in the original text not the Ordinal number. That is what God gave. He did not give any day after that but Moses did. At the time Moses wrote he had been educated in the house of Pharaoh in Egypt. The Egyptians had developed a concept by which they measured the duration between events in the light period and the dark period which Moses knew and used to influence his writing. creation it does not make any difference how many days we say are in a year. But what we are trying to do is match reality to our concept. The earth rotates a complete revolution relative to the sun with a specific length of duration between sunrise and sunrise that we measure with the concept of time. The earth also makes a revolution around the sun in a specific length of duration. If reality and our clocks don't match then we have to adjust the clocks as we can not adjust duration. It just is, to borrow a phrase from modulous. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: We have no reason to think that that is true. The length of the year depends on the rate of the earth's rotation. If the length of a year changed from 360 days to 365 days, there would have to have been some major force to change the rate of rotation. That force would have left evidence. It didn't. So it's reasonable to conclude that the change didn't happen. You do realize mankind is the ones saying how many days are in a year. They are only trying to match reality. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi wise1,
dwise1 writes: tropical year What does a solar year or tropical year have to do with a year as far as we are concerned with measuring duration between events on earth? Don't we have to match reality of the earth's revolution around the sun to our clocks? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
creation is the one who thinks reality has changed. I'm just saying that we have no reason to think that is true. The number of days in a year has not changed significantly during human history. You do realize mankind is the ones saying how many days are in a year. They are only trying to match reality.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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I was inside the Arctic circle this summer, it never went dark and the sun didn't set. Does a biblical day not apply there?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi wise1
Would you agree or disagree that the life of the flesh is in the blood? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: creation is the one who thinks reality has changed. I'm just saying that we have no reason to think that is true. The number of days in a year has not changed significantly during human history. What I am saying is that mankind is the one who determines the length of duration between events in existence. And we devised a pretty good system to do that. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Tangle,
Love the new avatar.
Tangle writes: I was inside the Arctic circle this summer, it never went dark and the sun didn't set. Does a biblical day not apply there? If you had stayed through the winter you would have seen a lot of darkness as the sun would have been shining over the north pole. A day is a light period. Regardless of its duration.A night is a dark period. Regardless of its duration. A light period and a dark period make a day. Regardless of its duration. I believe the light period that ended with the darkness found at Genesis 1:2 had lasted in duration from the beginning to the creation of darkness whenever that was. That light period and the following dark period is what God called "Day One". You can place as much duration as you need in that light period.There was nobody there to measure it and if there was clocks had not been invented then. As you can see I have no problem with any age you want to put on the universe. But as the Bible says there was only 6 days in which creation took place. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Thanks, that's now totally clear. Ffs
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation Member (Idle past 1964 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Yes we all know the current reality of orbits. The issue is the reality in the past.
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creation Member (Idle past 1964 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Too bad the founts of the deep had ebbs and flows you may confuse for tides eh?
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creation Member (Idle past 1964 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Varving in the former nature would not fit into varving today. You have a one trick pony.
Seems to me, that I can't rule out that some relatively sudden change in rotation or orbit might possibly trigger some plate movement. It also seems to me that earth gained oceans of water in days. That would increase our mass and etc..no? I also have to ask that if there was any change in the nature of gravity, could that bring earth a little closer to the sun?
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