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Message 166 of 166 (789373)
08-14-2016 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Minnemooseus
08-13-2016 9:12 PM

The irony is strong in you
Minnemooseus writes:
So a transgender person who physically appears to be male but is psychologically female should be free to use the ladies room.
And this would be where you explode in a shower of irony.
Nobody made that argument.
Instead, you are denying the agency of the person who needs to pee, ascribing to them an attitude that they are somehow completely unaware of how they look, how other people react to them, and are oblivious to the world in which they live.
Do you not see how insulting that is?
Define "gender identity".
Why don't you ask the person involved? Or better yet, why don't you consider the possibility that it's none of your business? Trust the other person to understand the world they live in and that they will behave accordingly?
Why do you think you have the right to second-guess them?
So a very male appearing but psychological female person should use the ladies room?
Nobody made that argument.
Rrhain, rather than a long message saying I'm an ignorant transphobe, how about a simple yes or no answer to that question.
Because that question makes assumptions that I do not accept.
It assumes that there is such a person. It assumes that someone just wakes up one day and decides, "Hey, I'm trans!" and walks out the door exactly as they did the day before without any sort of comprehension as to what being trans means, how gender is managed in our society, and completely oblivious to the consequences of their actions.
It is precisely the transphobic argument made by the people who came up with these stupid laws in the first place: That a man will go into the women's room and claim, "But I'm trans!" as some sort of justification.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or no.
Do you see the problem? That question makes an assumption you do not accept.
I do not accept that such a person exists. The article you quoted shows precisely the point: Someone who identifies as female but presents as male and knows that because of that, will never go into the women's room.


Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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