This Bathroom Law Confusion

Maybe even behind all the obvious foul bigotry and stuff there is another underlying issue I think Faith was trying to refer to about a decent modicum of privacy. Frankly I do not like to go into any multi-stall mens room myself. I try to plan my day so I don't have to. But I am not always successful. Ah well. There's other things I'd rather be private about than any sexual abuse. I think George Costanza in the Seinfeld series made a point about that. It's okay - sometimes you just have to deal with it.The family bathrooms are great for parents with little children...and maybe there might be a courtesy of not allowing one person to use the family facility - not a law, just a courtesy.Maybe there should be more facilities in general for some kinds of places. Long lines is a CLUE that you owners are being rude for not having more. Single rooms with a key work well, but the cost will make the business have to absorb more cost from their favorite plumbers. Perhaps it would be the camel's straw that kills the business. There is no current answer in this culture that won't fit everyone.

The problem is, Faith, there is a law. No, trans people don't need a law but they got one anyway that forces discrimination and subjects people to the most base humiliation.The whole bathroom controversy stems from the NC law that defines male and female as your ..."Biological sex. — The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person's birth certificate."Whether one presents as obvious female, has had the operations or not, the NC law says those "believable as women" (as you call them) are males and are required BY LAW to use only the men's room.And these folks ... ... are REQUIRED by law to use only the women's room.Do you understand what the problem is, Faith?The NC Bathroom Law is NOT intended for any other purpose than to discriminate against trans people because those Republican Christians in the legislature think trans identities are sick, disgusting and against god's purpose. Just like The Gay. The motivation has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual deviants molesting kids or some pervert getting off on watching the opposite sex pee in a public restroom. There are already laws against those.This is a backlash against losing the gay marriage fight and is their way of continuing the Christian fight against what they see as unholy sexual attitudes in this society. The bathroom laws are Christian fabrications and are purely discriminatory with the intent of being purely discriminatory. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Here's the other thing that isn't brought up in talking about these bathroom laws, Faith.If one of these fellas (born with the XX chromosome set) walks into your women's room with you, Faith ... ... you have no choice than to accept it. It is the requirement of the law and you have no grounds to object. You going to accept that?

I guess I can't expect you to have read the whole thread but all that has been discussed to death already. I have said umpteen jillion times that I'm against the biological definition because it misses the point and the people who are insisting on it aren't recognizing the actual situation. The actual situation being what you are trying to prove to me as if I didn't already know it a million times over.The fact that I've ALSO said I can understand some of the concerns of the opposition seems to so overshadow what I've said above it's as if I hadn't said it. I can understand the opposing view up to a point but have nevertheless said I think it's based on not recognizing the actuality of the situation. I've also said maybe there are other issues I haven't yet appreciated. It doesn't pay to be too nuanced on a thread does it?

Sorry, Love. My bad.

Given the freak-outs that occurred when the government required disabled access AND to serve black people...I can't imagine asking businesses to replumb and re-configure at the cost of thousands because of 'the transgendered' is going to calm things down.Of course, basically nobody was freaking out a few years ago. Some people with power freaked out and FORCED transgender women to use the men's toilet and threatened transgendered people's jobs and liberty to get their way. The laws are not to silence the crazies.The laws are to protect the sane from the crazies So why don't we just explain why they don't need to freak out or wait for the people that won't change to die off? Like we did with the racists? I guess some people still freak out about interracial marriage, but so what? We criticize them and move on. It's only a problem when those people have power and use their power to further their racist views.... We do treat it, sometimes even curing it. Apparently this freaks people out.

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Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (distress) with the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth, may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.[1]...
The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery.

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We're addressing some people getting freaked out?Then the answer is for those people to calm down and deal with their own issues.
The answer is NOT to accommodate these loony's by creating actual laws that cause a lot more issues than they solve. All for the sake of placating a handful of people who can't control themselves?The people getting freaked out simply need to learn how to be a normal, mature, functioning adult.
There's classes for that, if they need help.

One of the buildings I work in has three employee washrooms: one male, one female and one with both symbols on the door. I call it "Undecided".

Maybe Ambisextrous?

I'd call it Plessy v. Ferguson.

Saturday Night Live would call it Pat.

I think many of us recognize your position on this issue. Where the departure comes is when you place the responsibility for not recognizing the actuality solely on the people bearing the brunt of the law that works against them.

You can prove I did this, right? Please do so.

Separate but equal, eh? In fact, the Undecided washroom is anything but equal since it's not wheelchair accessible and it's also used for storage so it's barely accessible at all. However, it does discriminate against all wheelchairs regardless of gender.

Faith responds to NoNukes:

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I think many of us recognize your position on this issue. Where the departure comes is when you place the responsibility for not recognizing the actuality solely on the people bearing the brunt of the law that works against them.

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You can prove I did this, right? Please do so.

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Forgot your own argument again, didn't you? Message 28: And you doubled down on it in Message 36: You're making the victims of bullying responsible for convincing bullies to stop."Please, sir, could you take your boot off my neck," never works.