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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Here is an illustration, in reality we have laws and then we have humanly devised principles. Gravity and existence are two of the actual laws. What are these actual laws you seem so knowledgeable about? Can you state the law of gravity? Can you state the law of existence? How many actual laws are there?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
To answer your question, I'll ask a question. Do things exist or not? This is a natural law. Or are you prepared to demonstrate things don't exist Oh, good grief. So you really are just making up a bunch of nonsensical gibberish. Cyanide flavored bubblegum does not exist. Is the banana loud or steep? The penalty for breaking the 1st law of existence is uncontrolled laughter and unaligned molecubes.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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So is your response intended to imply that existence is not a law or that things do Not exists. Nope.
Actually I'm trying to demonstrate the lengths you fellas will go to avoid simple truth. Well, that's too bad, because you failed. I just can't understand anything you are writing. It is gibberish. You must have a hard time communicating in your real life.
I think you can see the problems Dr. A is having It looks like he is doing fine to me.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Do you guys understand what Dawn is saying? I cannot find any meaning in it. It just seems like he is stringing a bunch of nonsense phrases together with grammatical and spelling mistakes that frankly should have been corrected by the 7th grade.
Is it only Coyote and I that think this is nothing but gibberish? You guys are carrying on with perfectly reasonable answers and question as if what he writes is completely understood.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Your in a different thinking area sir. You've been trained to ignore simple truths. That's the problem Oh, stop with the bullshit. I, unlike you, have been trained to follow evidence; and to use it to understand how the Universe works. You, on the other hand, spout gibberish and pretend that you have some profound knowledge, but the simple truth you are demonstrating is that you cannot communicate in a coherent manner.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
than demand that I provide absolute proof of mine I made no demands for anything but clear communication.
So please explain how I'm incoherent in these argument I cannot understand anything you write, but I yield, I am through trying.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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So here we are 265 posts and still not a sign of science in creationism.
A bunch of incoherent ravings about some caricature of science and incoherent demands for something, something about indirect and direct evidence, and some smug posturing about all your opponents ducking the hard questions, but where's the beef? We thought you were going to show us some creation science, but all you seem to have is gibberish about your opponents. Are you ever going to teach us about the science in creationism? What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
If there is a designer we can say many things about that character; that it is fickle, cruel, not very competent, inept, ignorant, incompetent, capricious, impossible to understand and most important, inconsistant. Imaginary is what all the evidence shows.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Mutations will never accomplish anything beneficial even if you give them a few billion years. Thanks for clearing that up for us, Professor. I fail to see how your rant about mutations and evolution has anything to do with the "science in creationism."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Faith writes: There were no terrestrial deposits. That's a misreading of the evidence. All the strata are absolutely identical as to their basic form. These aeolian deposits of the Navajo Sandstone refute your statements above. They are terrestrial deposits of sand dune formed by wind.
Anyone can see that these strata are NOT "absolutely identical as to their basic form." The Navajo is part of the Jurrasic Glen Canyon Group that overlays the Triassic Chinle Formation and is overlain by the Jurrasic San Rafael Group.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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faith writes: Seems to me it's obvious that those "sand dunes" were saturated with water when they took that form. What feature makes it obvious to you?
Faith writes: And they were never strata, nothing was ever laid on top of them, which is obvious from the fact that they are lumpy and not flat like the strata. Actually, the overlying strata was eroded away where those photos were shot. Those "lumps" are just the last remnants of a widespread layer that were a bit harder than the rest. Less than 1/4 mile away the Navajo still lays under the overlying strata.
So, some how, windblown sand dunes managed to form between layers that were deposited by water, supposedly during a single flood? And by the way, The Navajo Sandstone is also considered strata. Strata just means sedimentary layers. Making stuff up when you don't know what you're talking about doesn't change the fact that the photos refute what you said:
quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: Between water-laid layers of course because all those transgressions and regressions of OE theory require that anyway. An aeolian layer between water deposited layers because that is what we can see. And yes, there are multiple examples transgressions and regressions in the region. Those are some of the evidence that led to the conclusions that these layers were deposited over many millions of years. None of these layers are evidence for a single global flood.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: An aeolian layer between water deposited layers because that is what we can see. And yes, there are multiple examples transgressions and regressions in the region. Those are some of the evidence that led to the conclusions that these layers were deposited over many millions of years. None of these layers are evidence for a single global flood.
I hope you had your right hand over your heart when you recited that piece of the evo Creed. Nope, because unlike you I have learned a whole bunch of cool things about geology here at EvC. I am especially fascinated with the geological formations that are exposed by erosion in the Southwest during the present regression. (When I say "exposed by erosion" I mean carved by erosion.) __________________________________________________
I have to say thank you though, because the discussions here at EvC about your flood and geology spurred me into making more trips to the SW to examine the evidence more closely. __________________________________________________
Faith writes: By the way, "strata" means "layers," not "sedimentary rocks." Yes as I said back in Message 560quote: __________________________________________________
Faith writes: Funny it's claimed upper strata eroded away from that lumpy surface of sandstone, Actually, I don't think that is how geological science describes how those formations were formed. The upper strata and the Navaho Sandstone strata were eroded, causing those final shapes to be left. Those remaining lumps are slowly eroding away and will eventually be gone. ABE: Which will expose the upper surface of the Kayenta formation, see below: __________________________________________________
Faith writes: when I'm so used to hearing at EvC how erosion creates perfectly flat surfaces. Really? Are you saying that the geology side of discussions here at EvC have claimed that erosion creates only flat surfaces, let alone, perfectly flat surfaces? Now that would be silly considering all the photos of canyons and mountains that have been posted here. __________________________________________________ Interestingly, erosion is creating some pretty flat terrain at the edge of the Navaho Sandstone exposure where these shots were taken.
__________________________________________________ The dinosaur trackway is a couple miles away from the sandstone lumps.
Faith writes: How do you turn a sand dune into rock without water? edge explained that in Message 14quote: Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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