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But the "First Thing" is not the universe, it is in the universe.
I'm just trying to understand why you think a tautology is an important statement.
If the "first thing" is outside the universe (see brane theory for creating universes) how is it a "first thing" for the universe?
Or consider two universes (physics allows multiple universes to exist) ... is a "first thing" in one also the "first thing" in the other or did one come before the other?
A tautology is mundanely true because it references itself, and is therefore meaningless.
universe = multiverse = all of existence
Ah, so you redefine words to maintain your dogma. Unfortunately for you, that does not make it true.
And I noticed you didn't address the rest of my post:
quote:If the "first thing" is outside the universe (see brane theory for creating universes) how is it a "first thing" for the universe?
In fact all your replies seem to be one-liners to one issue at a time. I'll keep this in mind.
Edited by RAZD,
What if the first thing was nothing?
A confusion of terms and another red herring.
Actually it is an aspect of current thinking in physics, that out of nothing two things appear, a particle and an antiparticle that when combined become nothing.
So you have nothing, then two things, then nothing.
You can even get several particles all at once, but never a single one, just as this can be happening simultaneously ...
Thus for your tautology to be true the "First Thing" has to be nothing.
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