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Topic: A Simplified Proof That The Universe Cannot Be Explained
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nano
Member (Idle past 720 days) Posts: 110 Joined: 09-25-2012
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Message 331 of 342 (843267)
11-15-2018 3:36 PM
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Spamoholics anonymous
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nano
Member (Idle past 720 days) Posts: 110 Joined: 09-25-2012
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Message 332 of 342 (864578)
10-13-2019 8:31 AM
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What are the limits of science?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 7828 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 2.5
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Message 333 of 342 (864591)
10-13-2019 10:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 332 by nano
10-13-2019 8:31 AM
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Re: What are the limits of science?
We do not debate by link. You are in violation of forum rules.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar
Member (Idle past 42 days) Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 334 of 342 (864592)
10-13-2019 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 333 by Theodoric
10-13-2019 10:49 AM
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Re: What are the limits of science?
And everybody knows that the Ultimate Answer is "42".
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Phat
Member Posts: 16583 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 335 of 342 (864594)
10-13-2019 10:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 334 by jar
10-13-2019 10:51 AM
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Re: What are the limits of science?
That sounds like my pants size! What an amazing coincidence.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5469 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 2.7
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Message 336 of 342 (864633)
10-13-2019 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 334 by jar
10-13-2019 10:51 AM
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Re: What are the limits of science?
But nobody knows the Ultimate Question that the Ultimate Answer answers. Back in the 90's, I read a newspaper article (which I still have filed somewhere in one of my boxes) which reported that a current attempt to determine the Hubble Constant came out with "42".
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nano
Member (Idle past 720 days) Posts: 110 Joined: 09-25-2012
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Message 337 of 342 (874276)
03-28-2020 8:51 AM
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Christian7
Member Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: 01-19-2004
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Message 338 of 342 (888419)
09-17-2021 10:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Percy
05-15-2016 9:06 AM
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How does it follow that an event with no cause has no explanation? We can explain the Casimir effect and radioactivity, and we can at least describe quantum uncertainty. I guess you could claim that any event resulting from quantum uncertainty has no cause, but arguing against that is that even though quantum uncertainty has yet to give up all it's secrets we still know a great deal about it. Entire libraries of books describing various facets of something is the opposite of the absence of an explanation, even if we still have a long way to go.
If there is no way to explain how something can happen without a cause, then it has no explanation. Therefore, a causeless event has no explanation. For if there were an explanation, it could be explained.
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jar
Member (Idle past 42 days) Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Exactly. Unexplained things get assigned to the Unexplained category. Making up explanations like 'God did it' is simply childish, not honest and silly.
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Phat
Member Posts: 16583 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 340 of 342 (888513)
09-19-2021 2:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 339 by jar
09-18-2021 6:38 AM
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What Does God Do?
jar writes: Unexplained things get assigned to the Unexplained category. Making up explanations like 'God did it' is simply childish, not honest and silly. But surely God has to do something. As a believer, what would you imagine GOD to do? Create universes and ignore His beloved pond scum?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 7311 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 2.7
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Message 341 of 342 (888524)
09-19-2021 4:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 340 by Phat
09-19-2021 2:56 PM
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Re: What Does God Do?
But surely God has to do something. He could die. He could not exist. Either of those would be good. I can think of others if you need.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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jar
Member (Idle past 42 days) Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 342 of 342 (888526)
09-19-2021 4:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 340 by Phat
09-19-2021 2:56 PM
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Re: What Does God Do?
Phat writes: But surely God has to do something. As a believer, what would you imagine GOD to do? Create universes and ignore His beloved pond scum? Why does God have to do something? You still are not addressing the differences between belief, knowledge and reality.
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