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Author Topic:   Terrible news. Just terrible. Urgent issue (antibiotic resistant bacteria hits USA!)
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Message 1 of 42 (785082)
05-27-2016 3:49 PM


Google
It was just six months ago (roughly) that the World Health Organization said that 700,000 people worldwide die each year from bacterial infections that are resistant to all known antibiotics, and that the annual death toll would reach an even more dreadful 10 million deaths per year by 2050.
It made me even sicker on my stomach than I usually am when thinking about this issue. Alex Jones and Ralph Nader have been about the only ones talking about this one that I can think of. I remember watching a Jones documentary (from around a decade ago) where Nader was interviewed in Crawford talking about the REAL biological issues we should fear and ones that could indeed terminate our lives (unlike the lame Iraqi weapons the media was buzzing about 24/7 for over a decade up to the circa 2005 present). Nader was asking "what about a war on infectious diseases?" and mentioned the grizzly mortality figures.
Now that an American has finally gotten an infection, I wonder if the 700,000 deaths worldwide will bring the USA our "fair-share" proportion of 30,000 per year. Come to think of it, maybe our asshole congress (and media, culture, population, etc.) needs some staggering death totals to finally do something about funding new antibiotics to help prevent this totally foreseeable human catastrophe (not that it isn't one already when we see 700,000 deaths per year). No new class developed since the 1980s despite a tiny cost relative to the military boondoggles.
Lets take bets on which state will suffer the first casualty. Then which state will loose its first dozen lives to the bacteria. Then which state will be the first to loose 100. Then which will be the first to loose 1000 lives per year.
Then 10,000 lost lives will come in which state first?
Which year?
First, lets spend trillions on the F-35.
Google
Assholes.

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Message 4 of 42 (785090)
05-27-2016 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
05-27-2016 3:56 PM


10 million deaths per year.
How To Prevent Millions of Deaths from Failing Antibiotics
The Coming Cost of Superbugs: 10 Million Deaths Per Year | WIRED
Drug-resistant infections could lead to 10 million extra deaths a year — report | Antibiotics | The Guardian
From the Guardian.
quote:
A low estimate of the current number of annual global deaths is put at 700,000.
There are already 23,000 deaths in the USA per year, actually. This news from Pennsylvania was about a "super-bug".
The National Geographic says that it was an organization separate from the WHO that gave the (nevertheless very credible) 10 million deaths by 2050.
One death every 3 seconds.
Very serious.

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Message 5 of 42 (785091)
05-27-2016 4:44 PM
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05-27-2016 3:58 PM


Re: What To Focus On As A Nation
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I suppose my first question is why are only Alex Jones and Ralph Nader talking about this issue?
Because it is so big of an issue that the mainstream media (almost) silence is deafening.
Just like USA medical errors which, now, according to the British Medical Journal (BMJ) kill 251,000 instead of the assumed 98,000.
And much of that issue involves flesh eating bacteria.
Medical errors may be 3rd leading cause of death in U.S. | CNN
The media might lecture us about "corporations and their influence" to inflame the population into passing laws and constitutional amendments against speech, but what about the endless sports, soap opera, sitcom, talk-show, musical festival, etc. obsession of ABC, NBC, CBS, et al? Whenever there is news coverage, it is little more than inflaming people over fairly minor terrorist incidents (and gun shooting incidents).

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Message 26 of 42 (785179)
05-28-2016 3:26 PM


Here was the print text I first read.
There were some issues in this thread brought up, but to say people's eyes, I will just respond without quotations and post # references.
I'll start with the actual article I physically read, hours before my post, in paper & ink.
quote:
For the first time, researchers have found a person in the United States carrying bacteria resistant to antibiotics of last resort, an alarming development that the top U.S. public health official says could mean the end of the road for antibiotics.
The antibiotic-resistant strain was found last month in the urine of a 49-year-old Pennsylvania woman. Defense Department researchers determined that she carried a strain of E. coli resistant to the antibiotic colistin, according to a study published Thursday in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, a publication of the American Society for Microbiology. The authors wrote that the discovery heralds the emergence of a truly pan-drug resistant bacteria.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ading-just-reached-the-u-s
I remember the Economist, in 2014, talked about how this would set us back to the 1920s.
Also.
People have mentioned MRSA in this thread, and I have some horror stories (including lost teenage lives, my own personnel infection which resulted in me darn-near loosing a finger and gulf ball size infections on my lower butt/upper thigh) for sure, but there were antibiotics for it.
Then.
Faith talks about the good old days, but the dirty little secret is that there were no good old days. Be born in a year as recent as 1900 and your life expectancy was about 48. For blacks (which I am not), it was 32 in the good old USA. It wasn't like they weren't the biggest fundamentalists one can imagine. They were. Those were the good old wholesome days. The people claimed to be "biblical" in their thoughts and actions. Franklin Graham was just in Lincoln a week ago or so. He talked about what a disturbing and ruinous turn of events that social change was bringing. He cited homosexuality and rights as a very deep concern of his and one that would bring God's judgment on the nation.
Anyway, his (very popular)dad opposed the 1960s change and civil rights for blacks and Jews. He felt that Jews were fighting too successfully for all kinds of rights and social change. Nixon agreed with him, as the released tapes show, that the large percentages of Jewish journalists/media folk were undermining, if not destroying, the country.
Now gays are (among) the target(s) of choice.
But, they don't spread HPV, which kills more Americans per year than HIV, as much as heterosexuals do. HIV cases, in the 1980s, used to be "proof" that God was judging gays in a proportionate manner representative of God's amount of relative anger. Now only 5,000 HIV deaths per year (with gays less than 50%), and a growing number of HPV (cancer)deaths totaling around 7,000 to 10,000 a year in the USA. Who would have thought that cervical cancer was a sexually transmitted disease (97% of cases anyway)? It's females, and generally straight ones too who die. The growing number of throat cancer (or head and neck) HPV cases are mostly straight men.
Is the HIV is "God's judgment of gays" obsession over now? Am I beating yesterday's horse? The small HIV death totals put that one out of style I suppose. I will never forget the 1980's obsession because it is instructive of (so-called) fundamentalist Christians kicking people while they are at their lowest point, and I think it was inspired by hatred and not a genuine concern for those suffering. It was opportunistic and hateful, not to mention hurtful to loved ones who lost people they held very dear to their hearts.

  
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Message 27 of 42 (785181)
05-28-2016 3:53 PM
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05-27-2016 5:22 PM


quote:
"To the bacteria." Do you know the biology of this or not? Antibiotic-resistant bacteria have been around for a long time, and have claimed U.S. lives for a long time.
But the kicker is that the bacteria (of all types) are building some dangerous steam.
Here is the CDC director.
quote:
"We risk being in a post antibiotic world," Frieden said before telling audience members about the mcr-1 finding. "That wouldn't just be for infections that you think of as bad infections, pneumonia, urinary tract infections, that's bad enough. That could be for the 600,000 Americans a year who need cancer treatment for whom we just assume we'll be able to treat infections. We may lose that ability."
What You Need to Know About the Antibiotic-Resistant Superbug That Just Arrived in the US
This is something that is on the increase. Surely over 1 million die a year due to antibiotic resistant bacteria and it could get monumentally worse.
10 million per year equals 100 million per decade, or 700 million over the average lifespan of earth-folk in 2050. Almost 10% will die due to the issue raised in my OP.
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Message 29 of 42 (810219)
05-25-2017 5:14 PM


Most deadly superbug (60% die) infected 122 this year (6 in 2016), 3/4 in NY City.
Betsy McCaughey is chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths
hospital-infection.org
Her latest New York Post article is Why Deadly Superbugs Are Winning
I have gotten into a habit of tearing out her articles from my paper, this one is from May, 24 2017.
It is about the awful fungus, Candida auris.
This is the worst news yet, but I need to find the article from a few weeks ago as it was just about as terrifying as they come.
Check out her articles on the NYP archives.
I find it so amazing that the same publication that obsesses so much over the tiny number of terrorism induced deaths, over the years, also gives this lady such a prominent opinion box. From totally insignificant (the terrorist attacks ) to existentially & vitally concerning (superbugs ) .
Perspective is a ghost among American journalism.
Except Betsy McCaughey.

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Message 32 of 42 (810563)
05-30-2017 8:49 PM


Trump budget is bonanza for defense contractors, disastrous for American safety.
See Monday, May 29, 2017 New York Times article, Proposed Cuts Alarm Bioterrorism Experts : 'They're Just Gutting Things ' by Emily Baumgaertner.
The New York Times is pro military spending and they never slant a story as indicating military contracts are corrupt, but the article couldn't help but notice that Americans are not "safe" under the Trump budget as it relates to deadly pathogens.
The various and specific cuts are jaw dropping .
I feel like we are always backtracking on research budgets.
I blame the Democrats more than Trump, because they don't make funding increases a priority, and even if there are some slight increases ( however rare as rare gets to see an actual yearly increase ), it doesn't keep up with inflation .
It was the Republican Senator Arlen Spector, in the 1990s, who last made actual funding increases a priority. He helped bring about a doubling of the NIH budget from 1996 to 2003, as part of his mid 1990s plan.
The budget is presently LOWER than the 2003 high, and before Trump gets his 18% cut.
We need a real opposition party.
Do we all have to drop like flies before it happens?

  
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Message 34 of 42 (811419)
06-07-2017 6:26 PM
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06-07-2017 11:29 AM


Re: Most deadly superbug (60% die) infected 122 this year (6 in 2016), 3/4 in NY City.
So what happens when a bug eats another bug? Do the bacteria get destroyed before becoming part of the eater's stomach biota ? Am I saying the question right? This is the bacteria that humans get from the mothers vagina during birth, right? Something that a person needs as part of their internal microbiota?
I never understood this issue.
I heard recently that a child benefits greatly to be around a dog in the early years. All the licking helps to create a resistance to bacteria, and the benefit comes only (?) when exposed in the early years.
Hear anything about phages (phago in Greek has to do with eating and SAR means flesh,so sarcophagus means flesh eater ) ?
Flesh eaters? They eat bacteria, right?
Any mouth wash news?

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Message 36 of 42 (811508)
06-08-2017 10:24 PM
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06-08-2017 11:07 AM


Re: Most deadly superbug (60% die) infected 122 this year (6 in 2016), 3/4 in NY City.
So the bacteria commonly get killed and then detritus gets soaked up by the host's bacteria?
I am going to have to ask what happens when the invading bacteria survive the invasion of the host. And how common is an invasion where the invasive bacterium survives.
How does this relate to evolution and the progressive changes in species?

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Message 37 of 42 (811515)
06-08-2017 10:42 PM
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06-07-2017 11:29 AM


Re: Most deadly superbug (60% die) infected 122 this year (6 in 2016), 3/4 in NY City.
Can you please explain the last paragraph of post 33.
This is the issue of "good bacteria " getting taken into custody of the host's gut then passed on to offspring for all future generations.
Are you saying that the typical event of the custody transfer ( for lack of a better description ) is a bad result in action.?
Just like the "bad mutations " of Neo Darwinian theory greatly outnumbering the beneficial ones?
What are the essential developments in this developing story?
This was a great and quite recent thing - good bacteria (with its own DNA independent of the host of the stomach that houses all the various bacteria ) that was constantly being added to the host's gut THEN passed on to offspring!
What exactly was "new" before (the lecture you just heard ) and then your description of what is "newer" (post lecture things ) now?
The next thing you learn will be the "newest" so please keep us updated.
Thanks.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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