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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
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Message 36 of 887 (786188)
06-18-2016 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Big_Al35
06-17-2016 3:14 AM


Al writes:
In fact, like the Vatican in Rome and Washington DC, it governs itself above super-states like the EU or the United States.
You really need to try to learn the basics before you post such nonsense. First, the Vatican is a Nation State just like the Great Britain or United States. The United States is not a super-state. And DC does not govern even itself and is in fact governed by Congress and does not even get voting representation.

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Message 41 of 887 (786315)
06-20-2016 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Big_Al35
06-20-2016 8:00 AM


BigAl writes:
If, as you say, it is a nation state, then is it a member of the EU? In fact it would not even qualify to get into the EU but because it is surrounded by an EU state, Italy, it is inextricably linked to the EU but not governed by it. Although recently they have been forced to pay taxes on all non-religious properties including residential spaces and shopping malls. So yeah they don't have to pay taxes on church and religious buildings. This makes them above the EU super-state in my eyes.
What you may think has absolutely nothing to do with what happens to be true. But once again, it would probably be a good idea to actually check your facts before spouting nonsense.
The Vatican is a Nation State and so recognized by all other Nation States, the UN and the EU.
Individual Nation States in the European Union decide their individual religious related taxation policies. Those taxing laws vary by Nation State and exclude different entities from taxation. That is also true in non-EU Nation States.
The fact is the Vatican is a Nation State. As a nation state it decides it's own tax laws. Just because it sits inside Italy does not make it a part of Italy or the EU. A somewhat similar example is the Principality of Monoco, surrounded on three sides by France and the Mediterranean Sea. It too is not a member state of the EU although like the Vatican does have diplomatic relations with both France and the EU.
In addition, what and who gets taxed varies once again by the Nation State and in many cases even smaller political subdivisions like town, prefecture or canton.
In some EU Nation States even membership in a Church is taxed with the state collecting the taxes from the members and then returning the funds to the Church less a handling fee.
The tax I think you are talking about specifically is the 2013 Italian tax on religious commercial properties. But that is Italy taxing properties in Italy, not anything within the Nation State of the Vatican and not an EU tax.
Maybe you should start checking facts beyond the Alternate Reality Media you seem to prefer.

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Message 44 of 887 (786319)
06-20-2016 10:12 AM
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06-20-2016 10:02 AM


Big writes:
No the point you are missing is that the Vatican has been dodging tax for years. It has only recently been under investigation over its tax affairs. It has only recently been under investigation over other matters as well. Can you tell me who was investigating it? Itself? After all it is self governing. No - the US had it under investigation along with Italy.
Again, what utter nonsense.
The US and Italy are investigating the Vatican over the Vatican's Tax Affairs? And what other matters are being investigated?
Sheesh.
To what end? Neither the US nor Italy have any enforcement authority over the Vatican any more than they have enforcement authority over the UK or Russia or any other Nation State.
Do you ever post anything other than absurdities?
AbE:
And as usual, what does any of your nonsense have to do with the topic?
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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Message 52 of 887 (786349)
06-20-2016 3:26 PM
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06-20-2016 12:59 PM


BigAl writes:
jar writes:
To what end? Neither the US nor Italy have any enforcement authority over the Vatican any more than they have enforcement authority over the UK or Russia or any other Nation State.
Does the US have enforcement authority over Iraq? No but they did it anyway.
And as usual your point, if their is one, is absurd.
What does that have to do with the topic?

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Message 98 of 887 (786642)
06-24-2016 9:24 AM


England and the UK
It seems that this recent vote will place England in pretty much the same relationship with the EU as other Commonwealth nations like Bermuda, Australia, Canada, India and New Zealand. Will this increase the power and relevance of Marlborough House?

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Message 130 of 887 (786910)
06-29-2016 10:47 AM


The Important stuff.
So enough of the irrelevancies; what about the important stuff.
Does this mean that in the future UK teams will not be eligible to play in the Euro?
Will it mean UK golfers will not be eligible to play in the Ryder Cup series?

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Message 161 of 887 (787149)
07-05-2016 12:35 PM


Mulligan
Is there a precedent for allowing a Mulligan?

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Message 215 of 887 (805387)
04-18-2017 11:14 AM
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04-18-2017 11:08 AM


Re: British PM calls for elections in June
Hum a little of the tune. It seems I've heard those very same lines recently.

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Message 231 of 887 (811547)
06-09-2017 7:52 AM
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06-09-2017 5:18 AM


Re: Labor claims that it will support the Exit.
And it seems that it will be a Conservative/Democratic Union Party government.
I really doubt that was what the people of the UK had in mind.

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Message 240 of 887 (824880)
12-04-2017 4:27 PM
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12-04-2017 4:14 PM


Re: Will Ireland derail Brexit?
Can they? Isn't there a deadline date and are there provisions for what happens if the deadlines are not met?

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Message 263 of 887 (839954)
09-19-2018 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Diomedes
09-19-2018 3:44 PM


Re: Irish border still a quagmire
Hasn't Ireland and the Irish Border always been a problem for England?

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Message 654 of 887 (854940)
06-14-2019 7:31 AM


So it's not enough that you guys have an American in the Royal Family and a Muslim Mayor of London so now you want an American PM?

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Message 677 of 887 (858710)
07-23-2019 8:28 AM
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07-23-2019 8:07 AM


Re: Boris Johnson is new PM
Worry not. He will make England Great Again!

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Message 683 of 887 (858795)
07-23-2019 7:17 PM
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07-23-2019 5:46 PM


Re: Boris Johnson is new PM
If the folk from Wales, Scotland, and N. Ireland don't like it they can just go back where they came from.

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Message 691 of 887 (859149)
07-29-2019 10:38 AM


How Low Can It Go?
So how low can the Pound go and what will that mean for British Import/Export? Will the low pound create enough jobs to offset the increased cost of imports?

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