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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
Meddle
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Message 216 of 887 (805654)
04-19-2017 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Tangle
04-18-2017 9:59 AM


Re: British PM calls for elections in June
She'll win with a big majority. She'll be able to control her party, cut the Scotts off at the pass, and strengthen her hand with Europe. No down side.
Ahem... cut the scotts[sic] off at the pass? I'd be interested to know how you'd come to that conclusion. She'd already argued for the council elections to make that arguement. It wouldn't be because the only reason May became tory leader was because she was the one holding the bag when everyone else bowed out? Also strengthen her hand with europe, when it's an internal constitutional matter?

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Meddle
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Message 223 of 887 (805809)
04-20-2017 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Tangle
04-20-2017 3:46 AM


Re: British PM calls for elections in June
There's a very good chance that some otherwise SNP votes will go to the conservatives because the majority of Scots don't want to leave the Union and a million voted for Brexit. It's quite possible that they'll win a couple more seats and be able to say that there's a change away from the SNP.
Well there is a chance, although I wouldn't describe it as a good chance. For those who are opposed to another independence referendum once article 50 is concluded, they are as likely to vote for Labour as conservative. But then how to define a shift away from SNP policy? After all the brexit result shows you don't need a lot to declare a 'mandate'.
It's a negotiation. If she's elected with a large majority, whatever deal she does, she - and the EU - know that it can be delivered. It denies the EU a negotiation tactic.
Well I could be optimistic and think that a larger majority would mean she didn't feel obliged to capitulate to the hard right of her party, or the Daily Mail. But I'm not that optimistic. She seems intent on unilaterally acting on her own views of brexit which appears to be single-minded ending of freedom of movement, regardless of the costs. She could have recognised the closeness of the result, or that half the countries voted to remain, and at the very least continued in the single market. Not only would it have made it harder for Nicola Sturgeon to argue for independence, she even argued for this as an alternative, it would have made it easier for Northern Ireland to maintain the Good Friday agreement.
Instead her manoeuvring so far, even before negotiations have begun, have served to only harden the resolve of the 27 EU states.

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Meddle
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Message 377 of 887 (845672)
12-18-2018 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by caffeine
12-18-2018 2:07 PM


Re: Canadian "Rules"
The party vote didn't happen in parliament, and was not called a parliamentary vote.
My understanding is that the vote of no confidence that happened was an internal Tory decision on if May could continue to lead her party. Corbyn's proposed vote of no confidence is for parliament to declare if she is fit to be Prime Minister, but I'm not sure what if anything would happen then if that vote was lost, except for embarrassing her enough that she chooses to step down. But if that was the case she would have stepped down a long time ago.
However, the government would remain. Because of the fixed-term parliament act there'd have have to a vote of no confidence in the government to cause a general election, not just the prime minister. If that provides any clarity is anybodies guess.

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