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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
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Message 280 of 718 (841841)
10-22-2018 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Diomedes
09-28-2018 12:54 PM


Re: Boris to the rescue?
Latest news/gossip is that 46 of the 48 letters required to force a Conservative party leadership election have been submitted. Proceedings for a new prime minister could be underway by the end of the week.

This whole Brexit thing is a nation standing on a rake, getting thwacked in the face and then accidentally shooting itself in the foot while it staggers around clutching it’s head before hopping off a cliff edge. I despair.


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Message 282 of 718 (841876)
10-23-2018 8:22 AM
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10-23-2018 3:49 AM


Re: Boris to the rescue?
Apparently David Cameron is locked in his shed writing his memoirs. He only comes out every so often to grab a fresh packet of crayons. At least his place in history is secure...
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Message 285 of 718 (841980)
10-24-2018 5:05 PM
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10-24-2018 2:23 PM


Re: Boris to the rescue?
She looks set to survive the week now. The conservative MPs seem to think that Theresa May remains the person best placed to drive us over the cliff edge. Apparently the alternatives are even less appealing than she is.
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Message 290 of 718 (842139)
10-27-2018 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by LamarkNewAge
10-27-2018 12:58 AM


Re: Boris to the rescue?
Back in 2015 the election was all about debt, deficit and austerity with the conservarive’s pledge to have an in-out EU referendum forced on them by the fear of losing votes to UKIP. I know lots of people who voted conservative in that election who are now aghast at us leaving the EU but who don’t make the connection between that vote and where we are now.

2017 election both main parties took the ‘will of the people’ and ‘respecting the referendum’ line. At that point I think it would have been difficult not to. Now, as the shit show unfolds in all its manifest glory, I think things are shifting towards a dawning realisation of how bad it’s going to be. But too little too late. The hardcore Brexit voters have changed their tune from saying how easy and economically advantageous leaving will be to now talking in terms of patriotic principle (“what price freedom and sovereignty?”) and Dunkirk spirit in overcoming the near future hardships leaving will bring.

I’m attempting to get a Spanish passport....


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Straggler
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Message 308 of 718 (843375)
11-17-2018 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by Pressie
11-16-2018 4:18 AM


Farage on NI Border
Farage is just a blow hard wank puppet who is getting increasingly hysterical as the impossibility of his little England dream becomes ever more obvious. I’m sure that not how he sees it, I’m sure that to him it’s all about betrayal and secret plans and whatnot, but there you go.

Anyway this is the most I could find on NI from him.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/...mple-response-irish-border-question

Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.


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Message 310 of 718 (843447)
11-17-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by AZPaul3
11-17-2018 4:04 PM


Yes. There was recently a 700,000 strong march through London demanding exactly that. A second referendum on whether to actually go through with what the government has now actually arranged after two years of trying to get some sort of achievable Brexit. Current polls do now show a remain majority. But it’s still pretty even. Those who voted out seem to have hunkered down on their position and a lot of people (mainly leavers but also less interested remainers) are of the ‘just get on with it, we’ve had a vote just do it’ position.

There is a history of EU related referenda being repeated in other countries until the “right” result is achieved. And the genuine fear is that the disenchanted masses that voted for Brexit because they feel unlistened to will rise up if the result of the last referendum isn’t implemented. There is talk of ‘civil unrest’ and the like.

But if all else fails a second referendum is an option and the opposition Labour party may even be edging that way (albeit with a reluctant leadership).

I think a second referendum is now the only way out of this shit show. But that’s not to say it won’t cause it’s own problems.


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Message 313 of 718 (843464)
11-18-2018 1:28 AM
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11-17-2018 5:50 PM


I am inclined to agree with you based on personal experience. The problem I have is that based on my personal experience of people’s attitudes remain would have won by a landslide. I’m never quite sure these days whether the attitudes I see on a day to day basis, from friends, family, co-workers etc are representative of the country. London voted pretty overwhelmingly to stay. And my interaction with places like Thurrock and Boston (the most pro leave places in the country) are virtually nonexistent. It’s a country divided with people often in social bubbles that make their own view on this subject seem much more prevailing than it actually is.
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Message 315 of 718 (844044)
11-24-2018 3:33 PM


There is now a deal. Widely derided as shit by remainers and leavers alike. But Theresa May is pushing it as the only deal in town and so are the EU. Will parliament vote in favour (probably not - but fear of the alternatives may be a growing consideration). It’s all very destabilising.
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Message 323 of 718 (844738)
12-04-2018 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by PaulK
12-04-2018 4:03 PM


Re: Even more Brexit turmoil
That is a heady combination that makes things even more uncertain. Those arch Brexiters who hate May’s proposed deal now face the increased possibility of the whole Brexit thing being cancelled (or revoted on) if that deal doesn’t go through. Will the coalition of remain and leave that both hate May’s deal hold together to defeat the government? Or will some now conclude that a bad Brexit is better than a no Brexit?
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Message 329 of 718 (844922)
12-08-2018 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by Diomedes
12-05-2018 3:05 PM


The French are Revolting
Brexit turmoil rumbles on. In my view a second referendum is becoming increasingly likely. But what do I know...?

In other news riots in Paris are underway for the second weekend in a row. Anti Macron. But as far as I can tell wholly unwelcoming to Le Pen and her mob too.

People are pissed off.


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Message 400 of 718 (847054)
01-16-2019 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Diomedes
01-16-2019 2:54 PM


Re: May's government survives no confidence vote
Extension of article 50 is the next most likely step.

May has started talks with other party/faction leaders/spokes-people with the notable exception of Corbyn.

Corbyn says he won’t talk to May until no-deal is taken off the table.

My prediction - for what little that is worth - is article 50 extended and then the eventual push for a second ref from a Labour that ultimately leads to that. But then I’m not sure remain would win a second ref. It’s a fucking shit show.


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Message 630 of 718 (853355)
05-26-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by AZPaul3
05-26-2019 4:14 PM


Re: Understanding Brexit
If enough tories who don’t like Boris join the opposition parties in a no confidence motion it could work.
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