Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?

LamarkNewAge writes:The British economy it poised to shrink with all the (recent) anti-immigration sentiment probably leading to actual slowdowns in immigration - a major source of the economic growth.

Diomedes writes:Everybody is aware of that.

2) The corporate big wigs who have been systematically destroying the middle class of this country to line their own pockets have been using rhetoric to divert attention away from their scheme. And they do so by blaming the immigrants, who are 'stealing American jobs'. Because the Mexican family picking fruit in the field took your manufacturing job away and moved it to China.

NoNukes writes:Perhaps that is semantically true, but this is a situation in which it is impossible for both sides to get what they want. The minority in this case is a substantial portion of the population. Just short of fifty percent. If trampling is the wrong word, then certainly "giving short shrift to" would not be out of place.

PaulK writes:No Brexit is on the table in that the Government has the power to back out of Brexit. Whether Parliament has the will to do that is another matter. But at this stage the alternatives are so awful I wouldn’t rule it out. May’s deal is looking dead. A No Deal Brexit isn’t any more popular. Going back to the drawing board and starting again isn’t much better, either.

Diomedes writes:Now does that mean that there is no provision for another referendum? Not at all. And I certainly don't think it is undemocratic to ask for one. The issue is one of perception and politics.

Diomedes writes:It's a tricky issue no matter how you slice it. There is already rumblings from Leave advocates of what they are calling the 'Brexit Betrayal'. i.e. an assertion that the government is ignoring the will of the people or are purposely screwing things up just to get the outcome they originally wanted. I personally don't think that is the case. As mentioned, when Governments screw up, it is usually due to outright incompetence and political shenanigans as opposed to some Illuminati conspiracy. And considering the circumstances, if parliament is deadlocked, isn't placing the vote back to the people the democratic thing to do? I think the bigger issue is even if another referendum is considered, what the question would be would also be endlessly debated to the point that it might make the referendum non-viable.

Percy writes:This is just the "There will always be wars so no course of action is better than another" argument. I reject the premise. For example, a united Europe means Germany is a productive contributing member of a community instead of an engine of discord and war. Some actions are inherently better than others because they have better outcomes that are foreseeable.

Diomedes writes:And on a side note, apparently Theresa May indicated that if she loses the next Brexit plan vote, she has promised to set a timetable for her successor.

Diomedes writes:Now if Boris or Gove take the helm, I doubt they would push for another referendum. Boris seems hell bent on no deal, so my suspicion is he would just be all bravado and tell the EU that if they don't agree to a different deal, he will leave with no deal.

Percy writes:Viewed from afar and through the filter of American reporting, May seems a politician of honesty, integrity, determination and extraordinary persistence who sincerely believed she could shepard Britain through the intricacies of Brexit. In retrospect maybe it was too impossible an undertaking for anyone.

jar writes:Worry not. He will make England Great Again!

Diomedes writes:Now comes the interesting part: how will he fix Brexit? Not sure he even knows.

Diomedes writes:Who is going to blink?