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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
NoNukes
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Message 39 of 771 (786311)
06-20-2016 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by LamarkNewAge
06-19-2016 7:20 PM


Re: If trade has been so bad for people, Then why such growth since 1993?
It is now about $57,000 per person, and with just 2% inflation per year (1980s had around 10% per year on average).

Some possible ways that this presentation might fall short of making your case:

Average income does not actually tell us how the bulk of folks are doing. How about some other measures of central tendency such as the median, or a number for what the middle class income averages. We know that globalization has produces increases in wealth. What is questioned is who and how many folks have benefited.

Your inflation numbers as cited don't provide us with any meaningful way to compare current income to 1990s income, because you only provide current inflation while comparing todays income to income from over twenty years prior.

The immigrants have the highest incomes. Look at the average Indian American income.

I have no idea what this is supposed to prove.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 166 of 771 (787392)
07-12-2016 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by LamarkNewAge
07-09-2016 7:12 PM


Re: Bloomberg: Pound Overtakes Argentine Peso to Become 2016’s Worst Performer
A 12% drop this year against the dollar.

Not your fault for this kind of post, but it has only been a few weeks. The bulk of the drop is just a few weeks of reaction to Brexit.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 171 of 771 (787558)
07-17-2016 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by anglagard
07-16-2016 4:35 PM


Re: 2 Pence Worth
Meanwhile England becomes Texas, except without oil and guns.

Ouch. And possibly without a huge chunk of their financial sector. I suppose one way to solve an immigration problem is to create a country to which folks won't want to move.

What's the Brexit plan again?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 173 of 771 (787561)
07-17-2016 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Tangle
07-17-2016 4:28 PM


Re: 2 Pence Worth
That now seems unlikely.

Unlikely that a substantial number of financial folks will move over the next decade or so? I think it is too early to tell.

The talk now is of downplaying freedom of movement because it's a redline for the EU if you want to trade with them without tariffs. Who would have guessed?

That's what the rational minds are saying, but it wasn't the rational minds who wanted out of the EU. If the freedom of movement gets downplayed isn't that just going to make folks angry again?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 176 of 771 (787587)
07-18-2016 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ringo
07-18-2016 12:07 PM


Re: 2 Pence Worth
That's what the rational minds are saying, but it wasn't the rational minds who wanted out of the EU.

Did I give a reason for considering their votes not to be rational? I am certainly willing to discuss this, but you've made a pretty silly assumption here.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 179 of 771 (787643)
07-19-2016 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by ringo
07-19-2016 11:36 AM


Re: 2 Pence Worth
You didn't give a reason. That's why I question how rational your statement is.

Right. Except that you did not question me. You instead asserted a rationale for me that you could denounce.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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NoNukes
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Message 201 of 771 (793313)
10-25-2016 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by ringo
10-24-2016 1:23 PM


Re: Tribalism
Democracy does follow the will of the majority but it is the duty of the majority not to trample on minorities. Those who voted for Brexit are not trampling on the rights of those who voted against it.

Perhaps that is semantically true, but this is a situation in which it is impossible for both sides to get what they want. The minority in this case is a substantial portion of the population. Just short of fifty percent. If trampling is the wrong word, then certainly "giving short shrift to" would not be out of place.

I'd also add that just having a rationale does not make a decision rational.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith


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