Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?

Likewise.We are definitely going through an age of severe stupid at the moment.

That's about the size of it. Boris was Mayor of London, and Farage used to be a commodities broker. They both understand the economic damage which is being done, and both know they lied their sorry arses off to cause it.

I don't buy the civil.unrest thing. I put it at the same level as the Daily Mail's constant references to "fury". I see no fury in my day to day life. I see average people going about their day to day lives with mild indifference and humdrum preoccupation with their lives. They aren't furious about anything in my experience.I think they're too bored with Brexit to even contemplate a mild outcry, much less civil disobedience or revolt.Of course, if they cancelled "I'm A Celebrity", things might be different.

I forget which person made this comment, but it was something along the lines that MPs can have as many votes, and change their minds as many times as they like, but the Country for some reason is not given that option.

I'll see if there's anything else I can dig up - but when it comes to Jacob Rees-Mogg, I like the portmanteau "smunt".(The first of the originator words is "smug").

That was it, thank you.

And voted for by an electorate of approx 0.2% of the population. Democracy in action eh ?

Something tells me our mileage will differ ;-)

His hair once doubled for Gordon the Gopher when the little rodent was poorly.

(For our American and other non-Brit friends, please meet Gordon the Gopher): Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

Yeah - he hasn't changed much.

Except, I should add, that his current puppeteer is Dominic Cummings, instead of the original Paul Smith.

Spot on. A number of big mistakes have been made:1. Momentum took over the Labour party, kicked out the moderates, and are pushing a hugely radical socialist agenda, which the majority of the country is deeply concerned about. There's no genuine attempt to soften that agenda and make it more appealing.2. Corbyn comes across as an unengaging and unsympathetic individual. He would need to be a lot brighter and happier to sell any joy of a Labour future. Instead, he comes across as a miserable, joyless git.3. Corbyn and Momentum are in serious denial about the anti-semitism within their ranks. There is of course nothing wrong with criticising Israeli foreign and domestic policy - but the list of offences goes significantly beyond that, and in their desire to maintain the legitimacy of criticising Israeli policy, they have shied away from tackling anti-semitism.4. They have chosen a bland and directionless Brexit policy, which continues to appeal to neither side in a polarised country.A moderate left wing party would have walked this election. But they chose a different path.Let's get a charismatic middle grounder back from somewhere. Until then, we have to put up with Boris's evil puppet master, Cummings, whilst waiting for the NHS to be destroyed by Humpty Dumpty's big money pals in the States.

Not too long - he’s said he won’t lead them at the next election.What is more interesting for me, is whether this means that Momentum will now see their stranglehold on the Labour Party broken. It is blatantly clear that the UK needs moderate politics. I have had enough of extremists at both ends of the spectrum seeing populism as an opportunity to push (how can I put this gently) unwholesome agendas. Politics has always featured lies and theatre for the masses - but rarely as exclusively as it does now.That said, at least with Momentum they don’t hide as much in the shadows. The Tories, under Dominic Cummings, are hiding their true agenda nicely behind blatant lies, deception and the cowardly, comic buffoon of a shill Bozzer.Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

I think people like you and me need to start being more vocal and active in our support of the proper values of a decent liberal democracy, Tangle. The populist agenda has silenced what they call the liberal elite (aka the decent people, who quietly looked out for the majority of people in society), leaving the path clear for the charlatans like Bozzer and Trump and the evil extremists burrowing away in their shadows.There's no one left of any substance to stand up for what I believe the vast majority of decent people want, but don't have the time or energy to strive for. We were offered awful choices - we need to start carving a better future for our kids - else cede the field to the bastards.