Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?

I was hoping this wouldn't come up... Ah well.There's an enormous amount of smoke in the air but there really are only 3 important issues for the vote1. Immigration. We have open boarders for other EU countries which means that millions of people from the poorer, ex-communist eastern European states are now in the UK. There are concerns about jobs, wages, housing, healthcare and benefits. Underneath that, there's a fear that Britain is no longer British.2. Control. We are subject to a lot of laws that do not originate in the UK, some of which are seen to be bad for us - fishery policy, boarder control, the shape of bananas and human rights. (There is confusion between the various treaties but let's not go there - perceptions are more important than facts at this stage.)3. The economy. Pretty much every economist and institution of any standing agrees that leaving is bad - at least in the relative short term and probably in the long term too. But those that want to leave aren't listening to economic arguments.The final decison is going to be made almost entirely on gut feeling. I'm really, really pissed off at our Prime Minister for allowing this vote, he nearly lost Scotland, now he's risking Europe. It's idiotic.I'm for staying.

The major reason was that the Conservative party has been split on Europe since we went in and it's been a running sore ever since. I think he wanted it settled.There were also backroom deals done before the last election. Because of the immigration issue a minor exit party called UKIP looked like it would split the vote and create at best a hung Parliament. Cameron thought that by promising a referrendum he'd steal their thunder. As it turned out UKIP did poorly and the real opposition - Labour - got annihilated alongside the Liberals so the Conservatives got a majority. But he was stuck with the promise.

I really wish that was true, unfortunately it's not. Sure we no longer have an empire and control a fifth of the world's population but we're still have enormous political, cultural and economic influence. We're the fifth largest economy, a (nuclear) member of NATO and we get tangled up with the USA's insane wars through our so called 'special relationship'.If we were smaller, less impressed by the bullies of the world and less concerned with our inglorious past we might be a lot healthier and happier as a nation. But maybe Brexit will help.

If we leave, it's going to be interesting to see who gets blamed for all the inevitable 'straight bananas' and food labelling requirements that cost 'thousands.' It's useful to have scapegoats.What's not being factored into this is how much the UK - what's left of it when Scotland demands to leave the UK over it - gets hammered by the EU in order to deter others from also leaving. It's not going to be easy to negotiate our terms - only a fool would think otherwise.

Yes, and it's highly likely, almost inevitable that that will happen.There's even a possibility that Wales would wake up and go the same way. Cameron would then go down in history as the guy that not only left the EU but also broke the Union.Maybe, in the end, all that would not be totally devastating but for a couple of generations it will be a disaster.

For some reason they're determined to not discuss immigration and to concentrate almost entirely on the economic. It's dumb. The thick only care about immigration and don't understand economics.

"Which fucking oik was idiot enough to ask the fucking proles what to do with my fucking country?"Or something like that.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Constitutionally, she can not say. So she doesn't.

On matters of politics, no.

That IS the reality. No ifs, no buts.She can express her political opinions once she is no longer the monarch, otherwise she keeps schtum.

Not really. The fundamental issue for those that are voting to leave is that they feel that the UK is a small overpopulated island that can't accept immigration at the rate it's happening. It's schools, hospitals, housing, roads and infrastructure can't support it. Inside that is a dislike of how the UK is no longer, they say, British.They're quite happy to play off unverifyable, esoteric and indirect long-term economic benefits against those more obvious and direct disbenefits that they actually see and feel right now.

No, I was just explaining the exit argument.

The vote can't be called, there's no history to rely on - but the result looks likely to be close.Tomorrow we vote for something that can't be undone in a generation if ever. It's a big, big thing that will directly affect the lives of my children and theirs.Time for predictions. What will happen on Friday morning if we vote out?I predict a sterling and stock market crash.There'll also be chaos in parliament. Sooner or later - sooner - the PM will be chucked out and the right wingers will have their way until another general election.It frightens me what will happen after that, I can only hope that the undecideds are just as frightened and vote for the status quo.

I've voted. I'm frightened.This decision is too important for democracy.

Voting closed a while ago. No results for a while yet, but all the talk is about a remain decision - but in truth, no-one knows.All that's known is that the turn-out is very high.Still shit-scared.