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Author Topic:   Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?
Tangle
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Message 556 of 794 (850055)
03-29-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by caffeine
03-29-2019 3:45 PM


I'd take 51:49.

It doesn't matter what result is, millions of people will be pissed off for a generation whatever happens. This is what happens when our elected representatives shirk their job.


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Message 557 of 794 (850072)
03-30-2019 11:54 AM
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03-29-2019 3:14 PM


AZPaul3 writes:

... do you guys not collapse ineffective governments anymore either?


I can't speak for the UK but in Canada we prefer ineffective governments. A politician who breaks his promises is by far preferable to one who keeps stupid promises.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 558 of 794 (850078)
03-30-2019 4:17 PM
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03-30-2019 11:54 AM


I can't speak for the UK but in Canada we prefer ineffective governments. A politician who breaks his promises is by far preferable to one who keeps stupid promises.

Whenever there's a debate about voting reform in the UK, one of the arguments people use to defend the first-past-the-post system is that it increases the chance of parties getting a significant parliamentary majority (even without a significant majority of votes), and thus means they can effectively implement their policy programme.

I still haven't figured out why that's supposed to be a positive.


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Diomedes
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Message 559 of 794 (850123)
04-01-2019 5:56 PM


All Brexit proposals fail - Again
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MPs have again failed to agree on proposals for the next steps of Brexit.

The Commons voted on four motions for leaving the EU, including a customs union and a Norway-style arrangement - keeping the UK in the single market - but none gained a majority.

The votes were not legally binding, so the government would not have been forced to adopt the proposals.

Theresa May's plan that she negotiated with the EU has been rejected twice by historic margins in Parliament.

The withdrawal agreement section of her deal was voted down again by MPs on Friday.

Mrs May now has until 12 April to either seek a longer extension from the EU to take a different course or decide to leave the EU without a deal.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47781009

Well, that's progress of a sorts. I guess. On the upside, at least there are a few options that are close to gaining some majority.


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Message 560 of 794 (850127)
04-01-2019 6:34 PM
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04-01-2019 5:56 PM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
So is this "crashout " April 12th realistic?

Come on Queen. Put an end to this.

Cut her head off. Say "NO!"

Is there any comment on the matter from Buckingham Palace?

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 561 of 794 (850155)
04-02-2019 5:47 AM
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04-01-2019 6:34 PM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
AZP writes:

Come on Queen. Put an end to this.

If Parliament instructed the government to do something it didn't want to, Teresa could ask the Queen to strike it off - not sure how that works but apparently it's constitutional.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 562 of 794 (850156)
04-02-2019 6:42 AM
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04-01-2019 6:34 PM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
You need to get over this weird obsession with the Queen. It's 2019. No solution lies in that direction.

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Message 563 of 794 (850160)
04-02-2019 9:27 AM
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04-02-2019 6:42 AM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
I know that. She has the constitutional power but it is socially unacceptable for her to use them.

No solution lies in that direction.

There appears to be none in Parliament either.

Just imagine the spectacle of Her Majesty strolling into the Palace of Westminster with a hundred Royal Guards and announcing "This Parliament is dissolved."

Wondrous.


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Diomedes
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Message 564 of 794 (850166)
04-02-2019 12:25 PM


Jonathan Pie on Brexit

Haven't heard of this UK comedian before, but he is quite funny. A good rant.


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caffeine
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Message 565 of 794 (850174)
04-02-2019 2:04 PM
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04-02-2019 9:27 AM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
She has the constitutional power but it is socially unacceptable for her to use them.

It's not about social acceptability - she does not have the constitutional powers you think she has. The Queen's authority to dissolve Parliament was formally abolished by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act (2011).

She does have the theoretical power to dismiss May, but not to dissolve Parliament.


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AZPaul3
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Message 566 of 794 (850178)
04-02-2019 2:24 PM
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04-02-2019 2:04 PM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
I stand corrected. Too bad.

Can she at least take her carriage and display a prominent finger at Westminster as she rolls by?


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Diomedes
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Message 567 of 794 (850183)
04-02-2019 5:07 PM


Theresa May to ask EU for further extension
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Theresa May will ask the EU for an extension to the Brexit deadline to "break the logjam" in Parliament.

The PM says she wants to meet Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to agree a plan on the future relationship with the EU.

But she insisted her withdrawal agreement - which was voted down last week - would remain part of the deal.

Mr Corbyn said he was "very happy" to meet Mrs May, and would ensure plans for a customs union and protection of workers' rights were on the table.

The cross-party talks offer has angered Tory Brexiteers, with Boris Johnson accusing ministers of "entrusting the final handling of Brexit to Labour".

The former foreign secretary said Brexit was "becoming soft to the point of disintegration" and he could never agree with staying in a customs union.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47794235

It looks like May might have finally caved to the Customs Union. That option had the strongest support among indicative votes. So maybe she realizes that is the only way forward. It is annoying the strident Brexiteers. But since it has the best chance of solving the Irish border problem, if she can get the moderate conservatives, Labour and the DUP to jump on board, that may be enough to get her plan across the finish line.


  
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Message 568 of 794 (850184)
04-02-2019 5:57 PM


EU: Sure. Take a couple years. We're not the ones going. We'll be right here. Let us know when you're ready. In the mean time, everything's cool. No problem you guys voting in our election. After all, y'aint left yet. You're still one of us. Kisses.

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Message 569 of 794 (850213)
04-03-2019 3:40 PM


I'm sitting at a computer terminal in a public library in the middle of nowhere - a.k.a. Canada. Somebody left a Zwei Euro Cent coin on the table. It's similar to a Canadian 1 Cent coin, which no longer exists. For me, this is the most interesting thing that has happened in the history of the EU.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 570 of 794 (850231)
04-04-2019 3:42 AM
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04-03-2019 3:40 PM


Which logo do you have on the obverse?

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