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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The same could be said for aviation. You can't learn to fly a 747 by reading a few articles on the Internet - but even creationists don't go up to the cockpit and tell the pilot he's doing it wrong.
It's nice to know all that information is available, as I thought it ought to be, but unfortunately it's not exactly layman-friendly.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The geology professionals are busy doing geology just like the aviation professionals are busy doing aviation. They don't have much interest in dumbing down their expertise for you just so you can tell them they're wrong.
... unlike the expertise required to fly a 747, one would think the geology professionals would want the average person to have access to such basic data.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
As a creationist, comprehensive information is not your friend. The deeper you dig, the harder it is to get out of the hole. Science is regularly presented to the public. No reason whatever that the fossil record wouldn't be also, at least comprehensive digests of the whole panorama of information rather than the bits and pieces we usually get. And the bizarre irony of it is you complaining that the information that will sink your boat is not accessible enough.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So you're going with the old Tornado in a Junkyard scenario. It wouldn't be able to assemble a 747 but it would be able to sort every screw, rivet, etc. into neat piles by size and shape.
Which makes it a big joke if those contents are really only the accidental flotsam of the Flood.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
A little bit at a time. Sand, mud, water, grass, and the remains of trees are all found at depth's of 6 miles under the surface of the earth under 22,000 psi. How did these materials get to such great depth's? To see the processes happening, you can look out the window.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
No. Of course not. Where would the extra material have come from? But wouldn't that require the earth to have been much smaller in diameter in the past than it is now? There's erosion happening at some places - e.g. mountaintops - and deposition happening at other places - e.g. valleys - at the same time. The mountains are flattened, the valleys are filled and - also at the same time - tectonic forces are building new mountains.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That's irrelevant to your question. The fact is that there is a certain amount of material and it keeps moving around. That accounts for the layers and the fossils in them.
Where did the original material come from? ICANT writes:
The original formation of the earth is not the topic.
How long did it take for the material to gather and form the earth? ICANT writes:
It's always hard for fossils to be formed and preserved. That's why billions of organisms only make thousands of fossils. Such a slow production of material would make it hard for fossils to be formed and preserved. Are you suggesting that most of the fossils were formed quickly by the Flood?
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The earth grows a very small amount because of the occasional asteroid and much more frequent meteorites. It also shrinks from various causes. I don't know if there is a net growth or a net shrinkage but in either case the amount is very small and can not account for the vast majority of the earth's mass.
... I believe the early earth grew by accretion of materials supplied by asteroids, such as the one that produced the crater in the Gulf of Mexico.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Remember the experiment we all did when we were nine? You can get strata in a peanut butter jar.
... the strata could not possibly have been formed in such small bodies of water with such distinctive boundaries.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
One of the differences is that the strata out in the real world are not all laid down in one water-related event like in the peanut butter jar. There's a water event followed by a volcanic event followed by another water event followed by an Aeolian event and so on. THE strata is of course a different thing from strata formed in a peanut butter jar. There is no way that all of those strata can be explained by one event. Your Flood can not explain the sorting of the fossils in the water events and it can not explain the non-water events between the water events. Those fossils have to represent organisms that were living peacefully on land during your supposed Flood.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I presume that in your scenario the Precambrian would represent the "bottom" of the Flood? You listed a lack of fossils in this particular area which turns out to be Precambrian, in other words the lowest rocks, in which there are normally few fossils, which ought not to be at all amazing to you. If so, why are there no fossils of modern life-forms before the Flood? If fossilization can occur as rapidly as creationists claim, why weren't any cows, whales, etc. fossilized in the several thousand years before the Flood? Why are there none in the Precambrian?
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But there ARE fossils in the Precambrian. There shouldn't be ANY fossils from before the Flood. The question is why aren't there any modern ones? Why couldn't something like a rabbit be fossilized before the Flood?
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mindspawn writes:
But not all birds are clean:
"... and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female....quote:And of course the Bible is also wrong about bats being birds.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mindspawn writes:
As far as I know there's no Biblical reason to think the Bible is consistent.
Also who knows if the classification of clean and unclean kinds regarding ark numbers was the same as the classification system centuries later when referring to clean and unclean kinds from a dietary perspective. Have you a biblical perspective on this?
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mindspawn writes:
I did provide facts. It's a fact that the Bible calls bats birds. It's a fact that bats aren't birds. All you've provided in rebuttal is, "Maybe the Bible didn't mean what it said when it said it."
So you openly criticize a religious book and feel no obligation to back up your criticism with facts.
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