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Author Topic:   The Great Creationist Fossil Failure
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Message 200 of 1163 (787006)
07-01-2016 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
06-13-2016 2:08 PM


Hi Dr

Dr writes:

We should not anticipate that any creationist will ever explain the actual features of the fossil record in terms of the Flood. It is unlikely at this late date that any of them is going to find out what the fossil record looks like, an activity which would both contradict their prejudices and involve doing some actual work. But I invite any creationist who wants to to give it a try.

I am a creationist and I don't believe any of the drivel you have wrote in this post.

This garbage was started by Ellen G. White in Her visions of the Flood and its aftermath, published in 1864, which described a catastrophic Deluge that reshaped the entire surface of the Earth,

The flood described in the Bible is nothing like the one you guys are always writing about.

I believe in a very old universe. Probably much older than you do.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 468 of 1163 (787752)
07-21-2016 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 448 by Dr Adequate
07-21-2016 3:42 AM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi Dr

Dr writes:

Whereas when we look at the actual terrestrial sedimentary rocks we find abundant evidence of plant life. This is another reason why we should look at the fossil record, like scientists do, instead of looking at cartoons, like creationists do.

One of my stupid questions.

Would plant life in the sedimentary rock mean that the place the plant life was above water at one time and later covered with water?

Remember I am Old Earth and have no problem with the date that you would put on that taking place whatever that date may be.

Dr writes:

I don't see what it is you're finding hard to understand here. Are you absolutely incapable of concrete thought? I can understand how you might get confused by genetics, but here we are talking about very basic material stuff that everyone's seen: mud; sand; water; grass; trees.

Another of my stupid questions.

Sand, mud, water, grass, and the remains of trees are all found at depth's of 6 miles under the surface of the earth under 22,000 psi. How did these materials get to such great depth's?

I would truly like your opinion of how those material's got to the position they are found.

I can find no information answering my question. If there is some please point it out to me.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 475 of 1163 (787764)
07-21-2016 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Dr Adequate
07-21-2016 11:36 AM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi Dr

Dr writes:

Well, point me out the specific locale, and I'll tell you. The answer will probably have the words "sedimentary basin" in it.

The Kola superdeep borehole of 7.5 miles located on the Kola Peninsula of Russia.
Fossils of single-celled organisms were found at 4.3 miles as well as water. The temperature at the bottom of the hole reached 356 degrees which made it impossible to drill further as there is no material yet that can withstand the heat and cut the rock without melting.

So how did that water and fossils get there?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 477 of 1163 (787766)
07-21-2016 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 470 by ringo
07-21-2016 11:56 AM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

To see the processes happening, you can look out the window.

I would agree with that assessment that it got there a little bit at the time.

But wouldn't that require the earth to have been much smaller in diameter in the past than it is now?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 491 of 1163 (787818)
07-22-2016 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by edge
07-21-2016 12:45 PM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi edge

edge writes:

Sure. Happens all the time. They are called marine transgressions and there are hundreds of them in the geological record. In fact, we may be seeing it going on right now. It does not mean that there is a flood of biblical dimensions.

Are you referring to the flood recorded in Genesis or the one that is argued by YEC'S that came from the imagination of Ellen G. White?

The flood described in Genesis is not the flood that has been argued in all the flood threads on this web site.

edge writes:

Then you understand that millions of years is a long time.

Actually I understand that a million years the way we count years is not even a drop in the bucket of the duration of eternity.

Duration is eternal. Millions of years are only a measurement of distance between events in duration. That measurement is determined by the motion of the earth in relation to the sun as was decreed in Genesis chapter one.

edge writes:

The short story: Tectonism and subsidence. Right now the floor of the Gulf of Mexico is subsiding. Just look at the issues with NOLA. And no, George Bush is not pushing the crust down.

I would agree that George Bush does not weigh enough to produce well over 22,000 psi in order to compact an area that has over 22,000 psi of upward pressure.

As to the moving of the plates and one plate diving under another plate, in subduction zones effect's would only appear in subduction zones.

Or am I missing something there?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 492 of 1163 (787827)
07-22-2016 1:05 PM
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07-22-2016 11:43 AM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi ringo,

ringo writes:

No. Of course not. Where would the extra material have come from?

Where did the original material come from?

How did it get to where it is?

How long did it take for the material to gather and form the earth?

I would assume that any materials that can be found on and in the earth came from the same place.

ringo writes:


There's erosion happening at some places - e.g. mountaintops - and deposition happening at other places - e.g. valleys - at the same time. The mountains are flattened, the valleys are filled and - also at the same time - tectonic forces are building new mountains.

Erosion produces the type of material that is found in the Gulf of Mexico at the mouth of the Mississippi river extending out into the Gulf.

Such a slow production of material would make it hard for fossils to be formed and preserved.

Or am I not understanding the process?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 494 of 1163 (787831)
07-22-2016 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Dr Adequate
07-21-2016 3:34 PM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi Dr

Dr writes:

I found an article that stated there was twenty-four distinct species of plankton microfossils found at 6.7 kilometers below the surface.

Don't plankton live near the surface of water where there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 496 of 1163 (787833)
07-22-2016 1:31 PM
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07-22-2016 1:14 PM


Re: So, oh well, we're still off topic.
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

Are you suggesting that most of the fossils were formed quickly by the Flood?

No I don't believe any fossils or strata was formed during the Genesis flood.

I do believe that events of the early earth took place which buried creatures quickly that produced fossil's, as I believe the early earth grew by accretion of materials supplied by asteroids, such as the one that produced the crater in the Gulf of Mexico.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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