The Great Creationist Fossil Failure

If you are going to continue make such claims don't you think it worthwhile to at least point out the misrepresentation and then provide the accurate presentation including the model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob that supports what you say?

But that, even if true, is totally irrelevant to this topic. No one cares at all whether or not you see any so called evolutionary principles yet. That may come alter after you begin learning.This thread is about your claim that there was some world wide flood and that what is seen is evidence that such a flood happened.Your job, your only job, related to this topic is to explain how the the world wide flood you claim happened could sort the critters in the order they are found in reality.At this point what is known and factual is that the critters are found in the order given. Type "A" critter is always found below the first occurrence of the first type "B" of that same critter.The fossils are facts.Where the fossils are found are facts.The world wide flood is not yet a fact but rather simply an assertion.If the world wide flood (assertion) happened and the order of the fossils (facts) are supposed to be the evidence of that asserted flood then the model, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob of that asserted flood must be presented that would produce the sorting seen in the facts.The current theory does explain what is seen and so you need not worry about that. If you wish to overturn the current theory then you must present the Flood Theory that does explain what is seen.Unfortunately, no human has ever been able to present a Flood Theory that explains what is seen.For this (and many other threads) the only relevant posts would be ones that present a Flood Theory that actually explains the facts.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin and grammur

Let us know when you do figure that out since in over 200 years NO ONE has ever been able to figure out any method a flood or currents or ocean layers could explain the facts, the known sequence of fossils that have been found.

The important point is that at the time Ellen G. White (founder with her husband of SDA) and Price, were making their initial claims (she claimed she had a vision and witnessed "Creation" and that it really did take place in just one week and that the Flood sculpted the Earths surface) most Christian, Evangelical and otherwise had long accepted that the Earth was old and that there was no world-wide flood during the time mankind existed.The "Creationism" and "Young Earth" and "Flood" movements were a small fringe minority reform movement within mostly US and Canadian Christianity. It was not the common beliefs but rather a return to what was being discarded even two hundred years earlier; a return to the level of knowledge that had been common in the 15 and 16 hundreds. The period from the turn of the century saw the introduction of the automobile and truck and the Tent Revival circuit populated by showmen like William Jenning Bryan and Bill Sunday but by the late twenties even the Tent Revival was becoming less popular.But Creationism, Young Earth and an actual Flood remained, just as today, a small minority fringe group of Christianity.And just as today, from the very beginning not one proponent has ever been able to present any model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob that could explain what is fact (the actual ordering of fossils, or geological features or salt beds or sand or limestone cliffs or the evidence from continued human cultures over time) using Creation Science or Flood Geology.

Don't forget the Showmen and the Snake Oil Salesmen because they really were charismatic entertainers.But there is yet another important layer that played a significant part and that is the power of Politics. In particular some of the Populist politicians found that co-opting the Tent Revival industry was a powerful base to generate support and opposition to the currently held positions. The advent of the truck and car were accompanied by the introduction of radio and those two factors allowed the mass marketing that was adopted early on by the Tent Revivalist as well as figures like Father Coughlin, Huey Long and his brother Earl.The movement was a pathway to power and wealth and so prospered.

More avoidance and nonsense from you Faith.What model, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob in currents can sort critters in the order found in reality?Remember Faith, the fossils and the order where found are FACTS. Your flood is simply another unsupported assertion. The fossils and other evidence, the processes and procedures and methods and mechanisms we can see today are not conjecture or guess.Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

Nonsense.Everything, every piece of evidence that has been found in the last 300 years is a "real" problem for the flood.In case you have not noticed Faith, that is the topic of this thread.There is no flood mechanism that can explain why fossils (or geological features or salt mines or the White Cliffs of Dover) exist.The idea of any Biblical Flood is DOA and has been dead for several hundred years and is only marketed by the snake oil salesmen and the con artists who prey on the gullible and willfully ignorant.

Trying to change the subject yet again I see Faith. How the conventional theory works is irrelevant to this topic. Your job is to explain how a flood can order the fossils as they are found in reality.Stop trying to avoid the issue even though avoidance seems to be to be one of the only two responses left to Creationists, Floodist and so called "Bible" Christians.What is the flood model, mechanism, method, process, procedure or thingamabob that will sort the fossils in the order found in reality?Edited by jar, : are ---> as

Except you have never provided a model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how that is even possible.But a bigger issue is that even if it were true it is irrelevant to this topic and just another attempt to avoid addressing the insurmountable problem of there not being any flood model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how your asserted flood sorted the fossils in the order found in the world of reality.

I'm amazed that even a Creationist could look at that drawing without falling down laughing at whomever created it. That bees dumber than a Chick Tract.Edited by jar, : appalin grammre

We're over 400 messages in so far Faith and do you ever plan on addressing the topic?What is the model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob in the flood you assert happened that sorted the fossils in the order that ALL of the evidence and reality shows?

It's really funny. Not only can Creationists and Flood supporters never provide any mechanism, model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how a flood can produce what exists in reality (geology, fossil sorting, continuing cultures that existed both before and after the asserted flood yet never noticed it) they seem to forget even the most basic.If they wish to pretend the flood deposited all of the "strata" as they claim, then that material must have existed before the flood in some form. It must have been hills and mountains and valleys and plains and rivers and deltas and bays and oceans and deserts and forests and grasslands and swamps and ...In other words, it must have been pretty much like the landscape we see today.

And never a single explanation of how the asserted flood transported and deposited all that preexisting landscape in the order reality shows or how all that preexisting landscape got created in the first place other than magic and goddidit.

Since limestone is often made of fossil organisms Bethany Falls is marginally on topic in this thread but it is also another great example of the utter worthlessness of so called Flood Geology.Here's a picture someone (I wish I could remember who) sent me when I was working on an earlier thread about examples of sequential deposits. It's similar to the layers found in the Grand Canyon but relatively simpler since it consists two primary materials, limestone and shale covered by a layer of loess. Here we see seven distinct limestone layers, each on10-25 feet thick, each separated by layers of shale and then the whole segment covered by loess.What is the model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob of the asserted flood that in this area will deposit what exists in reality which is repeated, cyclical alternating layers of limestone and shale and that would then cover the structure with loess?Edited by jar, : fix depths

Okay Faith, thanks for blowing the Young Earth Nonsense straight to hell.You have two problems there as usual. If they grew somewhere before the flood then the Earth must have been at least old enough to allow all the coral material to grow and the silly 2000 to 2500 years that the silly Young Earth allows is just plain not long enough to grow all the coral found in the fossil record.The second problem is that once again you (like all other Creationists and Floodists) have not and cannot provide a model, method, mechanism, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how the flood you assert happened sorted the debris in the order and locations found.A Biblical Flood is simply a stupid idea. No Faith, that is not true. It is the usual clash of reality and evidence with the utter nonsense of a Biblical Flood.