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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
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Message 25 of 1257 (787902)
07-23-2016 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
07-23-2016 2:50 AM


Re: Second cartoon from OP removed
Faith writes:

... a dinosaur peering out from his own layer/time period to see that the whole stack is just as barren and unlivable as his layer is.


You could have a thought balloon with him wondering why there are animal tracks, etc. in those "barren and unlivable" layers.
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Message 64 of 1257 (787979)
07-24-2016 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
07-24-2016 2:47 PM


Re: In the long, long ago
Faith writes:

... all living things imagined to have populated that imaginary landscape would be dead....The reality of the actual situation just doesn't get across, does it?


The reality includes animal tracks, burrows, etc. How do you suppose they got into those "imaginary" landscapes?
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Message 67 of 1257 (787985)
07-24-2016 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
07-24-2016 3:15 PM


Re: In the long, long ago
Faith writes:

You do notice that the sediments were WET, right?


No. They're not all wet. Try googling "fossil tracks in aeolian deposits".
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Message 70 of 1257 (787989)
07-24-2016 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
07-24-2016 3:32 PM


Re: In the long, long ago
Faith writes:

PRESERVED tracks in aeolian deposits. OK. Dry sand fills in tracks in dry sand and they get preserved.


So what are they doing down there mixed in with all of the so-called "Flood" layers?
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Message 75 of 1257 (787994)
07-24-2016 3:46 PM
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07-24-2016 3:37 PM


Re: In the long, long ago
Faith writes:

The supposed aeolian deposits weren't. That's all.


You just admitted they were:
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Dry sand fills in tracks in dry sand and they get preserved. Message 69

And those aeolian deposits are sandwiched between layers that you claim were deposited by the same flood. How do you explain a flood layer with and aeolian landscape on top of it and another flood layer on top of that?


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Message 379 of 1257 (788884)
08-06-2016 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Faith
08-06-2016 8:20 AM


Faith writes:

... razor-tight flatness at their contacts.


I would think that "razor-tight" contacts would require the bottom layer to be hardened before the top layer was deposited. We don't see razor-tight contacts in the peanut butter jar where all of the layers were deposited in one event.
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Message 446 of 1257 (789090)
08-10-2016 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Faith
08-10-2016 12:05 PM


Re: Where did the seafloor/landscape go?
Faith writes:

There had to be a period when they were still living, but without their landscape and no new landscape, where would that have been? On top of the sediment you say. How do they survive on mere sediment?


When rivers flood, they leave sediment on the banks and we see animal tracks in that sediment. The animals are living off food in the water and food on the non-flooded land, and they're crossing the sediment to get to the food.

Where's the mystery?


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Message 570 of 1257 (789280)
08-12-2016 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
08-12-2016 3:07 PM


Re: A helpful reminder for Fa
Faith writes:

... the idea of some continually livable world is certainly false when you have to keep getting from a life-sustaining environment to a bare flat rock in a stack of bare flat rocks.


You've been shown that it's your notion that's false. There are livable environments right beside those unlivable ones. You are the only one who is imagining that the whole world was unlivable at the same time.
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Message 715 of 1257 (789641)
08-17-2016 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
08-17-2016 12:18 PM


Faith writes:

May I ask whether anybody besides me has a problem with the idea of landscapes (whether marine or terrestrial) resolving down to such neat straight tight contacts between strata as shown in those pictures in my post above (Message 711)?


I don't think anybody is suggesting that every one of those layers represents an entire landscape.
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Message 1158 of 1257 (791355)
09-14-2016 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1153 by Faith
09-13-2016 7:18 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Faith writes:

Some creationists believe the solar system was involved in the Flood scenario in various ways; for instance meteor impacts are considered to have been part of the Flood period on earth....


And yet the "eyewitnesses" who wrote about the Flood didn't mention them at all - no meteorite impacts, no volcanic eruptions, no zooming tectonic plates, just an ordinary flood on a larger-than-life scale. Your "explanation" of the Flood effects is a totally made-up fantasy that has nothing to do with either science or the Bible.
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Message 1161 of 1257 (791362)
09-14-2016 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1159 by Faith
09-14-2016 4:03 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Faith writes:

What is this absurd idea you have that every single detail of every event has to actually BE in the Bible to be authentic?


It would be nice if anything you claim would be consistent with the Bible. The Bible simply does not support your "explanation" of the Flood. You are not a Bible literalist; you're more like a novelist.
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Message 1179 of 1257 (791591)
09-17-2016 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1178 by Faith
09-16-2016 6:39 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Faith writes:

... the strata all look about the same thickness.


How would One Giant Flood cause a lot of layers of the same material and the same thickness? Wouldn't you expect One Giant Layer?
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Message 1185 of 1257 (791636)
09-19-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1184 by Pressie
09-19-2016 6:58 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Pressie writes:

One Flood would deposit a "layer" grading from course and big and huge at the bottom grading to very fine at the top. One layer grading from course at the bottom to fine at the top.


But Faith has decreed that the Flood "would be different" from everything we've ever observed and every experiment we've ever done. Yet there was no violation of physical laws and no miracle.
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