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Author Topic:   Describing what the Biblical Flood would be like.
Tangle
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Message 38 of 242 (788519)
08-01-2016 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by saab93f
08-01-2016 1:36 PM


Re: Yet one more thing we can say
saab writes:

Can't you see how silly your magical arguments are? When someone presents you problems that reality present, you wave everything off with magic (this time it's magical olive tree that can withstand soggy soil).

I occasionally try to talk to my wife about this sort of stuff. She's one of the many vague and pleasant Christians that has a generalised fuzzy belief in something, possibly. This general belief presents itself as being nice to people if you possibly can.

She has absolutely no time for worrying about whether it all stacks up to modern analysis. She knows it's all bunkum but likes the general message.

When asked a difficult question about something that makes no actual sense she just shrugs and says 'well, its a miracle, god can do anything.' And you know she's just laughing at you. Which just about sums it up. Why pretend it has to make any sense? Just go with the flow.


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Message 105 of 242 (788687)
08-03-2016 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
08-03-2016 3:07 PM


Phat writes:

Jar is making up all his evidence, how the olive tree COULDN'T have survived

Do you not feel the need to explain how a living tree could survive being underwater for that period of time? We KNOW - not speculate, but know - that trees drown under water. They need gaseous oxygen to live and they die if only their roots are waterlogged for extended periods.

Some trees survive better in floods than others - is an olive tree one of them?

I don't know, but I suspect there's a clue in its environment and the notes for growing them. Trees that survive local, short term flooding - not buried under 15 cubits of water for long periods - tend to be those that live close to water, willows spring to mind. I wouldn't imagine that trees adapted to hot and dry climates - such as olives - would enjoy water logging. And their gardening notes tell us that they need free draining soils and shouldn't be planted any places were water may gather.

And that's before you add in the effect of the power of the water which you tell us stripped rock and sedements to miles deep then redeposited it all again. Is your olive tree going to survive that? Apart from the virtual certainty of being uprooted, if somehow it wasn't, it would have been in total darkness for months by all the sediment in the water.

Then we've got the small matter of brackish water - do olive trees like that?

The working hypothesis is that all trees were killed. You need to explain why this one wasn't. I'd be happy for you to claim a miracle - I don't see why not.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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