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Author Topic:   Assumptions involved in scientific dating
ICANT
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Message 38 of 222 (798860)
02-06-2017 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by NoNukes
08-11-2016 9:58 AM


Correction
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
He does have some goofy beliefs about the earth being much smaller during the time of the flood...
No my goofy idea is that in the far distant past the earth was smaller than it is today. I believe that is also the scientific view as the earth grew bigger over millions of years.
There is oil 5,000' deep in the earth under 22,000+ psi there is no mechanism for which the oil could get to where it is today without the pumping technology we have today.
OR
So my idea is that the entire earth (no oceans) was a greenhouse and was 15 to 30 miles less in diameter than it is today.
When the earth would get covered with plants and creatures it would get bombarded by meteors, meteorites and asteroids. Which would bury the plants and creatures. Then there would be another growth of plants and critters. Then they would be buried and the cycle would continue, until the earth has reached it's present size. The process is continuing even today as a very large number of meteoroids enter the Earth's atmosphere each day amounting to more than a hundred tons of material.
We have used over a trillion barrels of oil so far and there is over 3 trillion barrels of known reserves. It takes 98 tons of raw material to create 1 gallon of gasoline and there is 44 gallons of gas in a barrel.
That means 3,960 tons is required for a barrel of oil just for the gasoline not counting anything for the natural gas or crude. Resulting in 1.188e+16 tons of material to make the remaining oil and it would take another 3,960,000,000,000,000 tons to make what we have already used. That is not counting anything for the gas already used nor the natural gas or any coal that has been used.
Can you come up with another way all that material could have been buried under the rock it is under.
I just had to correct you on what my goofy idea is.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 39 of 222 (798863)
02-06-2017 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Coyote
08-10-2016 11:49 AM


Re: Assumptions are not wild guesses
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
Creationists imply that the assumptions they don't like are nothing more than wild guesses.
Since as NoNukes told you that I am old earth the only problem I would have with dating is that I think the universe and earth are a lot older than you do.
But as far as assumptions go I have two that I have a real problem with.
1. We are positive that the Universe existed at 1 billionth of a second after T=0
The assumption the universe existed at T=0 is one I have a problem with.
If there was an absence of existence at T=0 how did existence begin to exist in the first billionth of a second? There had to be existence for the Universe to begin to exist. Non existence can not produce existence.
2. The assumption that life began to exist from non life is another one I have a problem with.
Those 2 assumptions lead to the third assumption.
3. Just ignore those two assumptions and explain the Universe and life without knowing where they came from or how they began to exist.
That pretty well takes care of my assumptions.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 42 of 222 (798915)
02-06-2017 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coyote
02-06-2017 9:54 AM


Re: Assumptions are not wild guesses
Hi Coyote
Coyote writes:
Please stick to the original subject of scientific dating, particularly radiocarbon dating.
I responded to your statement in Message 4:
Coyote writes:
Creationists imply that the assumptions they don't like are nothing more than wild guesses.
I stated the assumptions that I think are wild guesses.
I don't blame you for not wanting to discuss them.
In Message 1 you said:
Coyote writes:
In the flood thread we have the following:
Coyote writes:
And what scientific evidence would you use to dispute the time frame?
ICANT writes:
The assumptions you have to use to begin with.
The first assumption you have to make is that the universe is x years old, A constant rate of decay, an isolated system in which no parent or daughter element can be added or lost, and a known amount of the daughter element present initially.
But I don't care what age you tell me a particular rock is I will disagree with you as I believe it is much older than you do, because of what I read in the Bible.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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