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New Cat's Eye
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Message 76 of 203 (789516)
08-16-2016 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Parasomnium
08-16-2016 6:04 AM


Re: Growing pains
I think what you believe is very much a matter of evidence, or it should be, at least.

If I have evidence, then I don't call it a belief. I reserve calling it a belief for when it isn't a matter of evidence.


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Message 78 of 203 (789522)
08-16-2016 10:31 AM
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08-16-2016 10:17 AM


Re: Growing pains
And I doubt even you believe in anything without having some sort of evidence for it,

Key words: "some sort of"

I was thinking empirical evidence.

Some evidence may be better than others, some people may be better able to assess evidence than others, but nobody believes anything without also believing there is very good reason for believing it.

I believe that there are aliens out there. I don't have any empirical evidence for it, but I do have reasons that I think are good.

I don't think anyone can believe anything without believing there is evidence for it.

But I don't believe there is evidence for aliens, yet I still believe in them.

And that's different than things that I do have empirical evidence for. I don't say that I believe those things, rather I accept them, or conclude them, or concur.


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Message 109 of 203 (789562)
08-16-2016 2:30 PM
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08-16-2016 11:18 AM


Re: testable versus untestable.
People who believe in aliens usually think they have empirical evidence for them.

I think you're talking about people who think they've been visited by aliens. I was talking about there being aliens "out there", not ones living among us.

And it that case, I stand by my claim: I believe that there are aliens out there and I have no empirical evidence that it is true.

That is what I mean by a belief. I don't mean that I don't have reasons though.

Again, I'd guess you have some kind of evidence for your belief in them, but probably dismiss it because it isn't what you think of as "empirical" evidence.

No, I do not have some kind of evidence that aliens are out there, empirical or otherwise.

By which I suppose you mean SHARABLE observation or experience. Like replicable science experiments anyone can do.

I would prefer the term VERIFIABLE, through the senses.

Of course there's always witness evidence and in fact that's probably the biggest category of evidence any of us has for anything we believe. Somebody else observed or experienced something and we either believe them or we don't.

Meh, witness evidence sucks for accepting things, or concluding things, or for concurrence. But yes, it can be a source of what I call belief.


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Message 112 of 203 (789569)
08-16-2016 5:07 PM
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08-16-2016 4:05 PM


Re: testable versus untestable.
But I think you do. It may not be conclusive but there is supportive empirical evidence that aliens are probable. The evidence consists of 1) the fact that there is life in the universe (with absolute proof of it here on earth), and 2) there not being any compelling reason to assume that life on earth is special or unique. Combine these two and you have reason to believe that aliens may exist.

I don't consider evidence that they are probable or may exist to be evidence that they do exist.

But yes, there are reasons to believe it. Still though, no evidence.

As I was saying, if I had evidence for it then I'd stop calling it a belief.

I'd accept that aliens are out there, but I can't do that, can I?


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