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Author Topic:   Why did we stop inventing gods?
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Message 37 of 203 (789404)
08-14-2016 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Parasomnium
08-14-2016 3:05 PM


Re: Growing pains
How do you not kill yourself every day for shame of what atrocities are committed on a daily basis in the name of one or another god? Maybe your god does not condone violence in his name, but then he might be against, say, stem cell research for some ridiculous reason.
You compare a false god invented by Satan that goes around Europe these days murdering people as infidels, with the true God that opposes a research that exploits the murder of babies? That's a "ridiculous reason?" Where is your head?
Unfortunately (poor Europe) the reason you have Islamists murdering Europeans is that you've abandoned the true religion of the God who opposes murdering babies. It's also the reason you have all the general problems you are talking about. Long as you confuse Satan's religions with the true God you're going to make it all worse

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Message 40 of 203 (789408)
08-14-2016 3:32 PM
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08-14-2016 3:27 PM


Re: Growing pains
Sure it is, it's a baby the same way a twelve week or twenty-week fetus is a baby, the same way a toddler is an adult human being.
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Message 42 of 203 (789410)
08-14-2016 3:37 PM
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08-14-2016 3:32 PM


Re: Growing pains
Abortions are only a small part of it. The problem is that Europe gave up on the true God who in fact made Europe great (I speak mostly of course of God after the Protestant Reformation). God doesn't have to "send" the Islamists, their diabolical religion has them eager to do the work, He's just withdrawn His protection from Europe. If it's any consolation God will punish them very harshly for what they are doing. Meanwhile it would help to learn that when you give up on truth it gives up on you.
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Message 43 of 203 (789411)
08-14-2016 3:39 PM
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08-14-2016 3:35 PM


Re: Growing pains
Ah, so you mean: not at all.
No, I mean inevitably and inescapably.

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Message 46 of 203 (789414)
08-14-2016 3:51 PM
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08-14-2016 3:46 PM


Re: Growing pains
I am not sure what it takes.
You could try throwing us to the lions.
But that didn't really work, did it?

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Message 48 of 203 (789416)
08-14-2016 3:55 PM
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08-14-2016 3:51 PM


Re: Growing pains
God punishes sin and idolatry very harshly. He isn't partial. He also punished Israel very harshly (in fact the incident you mention was their vengeance for having been treated the same way by their enemies). It's hard to understand how you all confuse the murder of innocents with the punishment of wickedness including the murders of innocents, but you do a bang-up job of it these days.
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Message 50 of 203 (789418)
08-14-2016 4:01 PM
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08-14-2016 3:58 PM


Re: Growing pains
The Catholic Church is not Christian, its murders were/are the work of Satan, its Inquisitions, its Crusades, the lot (the Inquisition is continuing in some third world Catholic countries today, hidden from view of course). Not that there aren't true Christians who are Catholics, I'm talking about the Institution, the papacy, the power structure, all the work of the devil.
ABE: The RCC is really the continuation of the Roman Empire that threw the early Christians to the lions. They transformed all Rome's pagan gods into Christian "saints" and kept all the pagan rituals and superstitions, just tacked on some of the Christian gospel here and there to confuse everybody.
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Message 53 of 203 (789421)
08-14-2016 4:05 PM
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08-14-2016 4:02 PM


Re: Growing pains
Life is hard and then you die.

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Message 54 of 203 (789422)
08-14-2016 4:06 PM
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08-14-2016 4:04 PM


Re: Growing pains
I adore a God who is righteous and punishes the wicked while offering mercy to anyone who will take it.

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Message 57 of 203 (789425)
08-14-2016 4:19 PM
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08-14-2016 4:08 PM


Re: Growing pains
Yes and Nietzsche heralded the Antichrist who took partial form in Hitler too (a good Catholic by the way) As so many people do these days you confuse good with evil and evil with good. Satan postures as an "angel of light" most of the time, so you'll think he's God, offering you lifesaving research on the murdered bodies of the unborn for instance, as he made constructive use of the bodies of Jews by using their skin for lampshades and fat for soap; you see through that now of course, but it's definitely his style to do evil and call it good. Such as offering peace and goodness by denouncing Christian morality as the evil thing, which is only going to bring judgment down on people. Now he's got you all up in arms against God's severe punishments while he styles himself the compassionate one. Poor modernity, no idea what's happening, no idea what's coming, no idea why.
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Message 59 of 203 (789431)
08-14-2016 5:02 PM
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08-14-2016 4:44 PM


Re: Growing pains
That is such an evil question I'm not going to address it.

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Message 63 of 203 (789455)
08-15-2016 12:56 AM
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08-14-2016 11:07 PM


Re: Growing pains
You know what? I don't think God ordered those babies killed. This has come up before and I may look it up later, but as I recall that particular incident is usually wrongly attributed to God, when it was the Israelites themselves who were looking for vengeance against the Babylonians, who had done that to the Israelites. It was one of those cases where they acted on their own and God didn't command it.
There were incidents where God did order the slaughter of a whole people though. He always gives warnings and time to repent, however, and if the babies' parents didn't repent the babies wouldn't have either.

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Message 77 of 203 (789518)
08-16-2016 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by New Cat's Eye
08-16-2016 9:41 AM


Re: Growing pains
CS writes:
Parasomnium writes:
I think what you believe is very much a matter of evidence, or it should be, at least.
If I have evidence, then I don't call it a belief. I reserve calling it a belief for when it isn't a matter of evidence.
I agree with Parasomnium. I don't think anyone can believe anything without believing there is evidence for it. And I doubt even you believe in anything without having some sort of evidence for it, even if you aren't aware of it, or for some reason feel obliged to disregard the evidence (because you think it wouldn't convince others perhaps).
Some evidence may be better than others, some people may be better able to assess evidence than others, but nobody believes anything without also believing there is very good reason for believing it.
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Message 79 of 203 (789525)
08-16-2016 10:53 AM
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08-16-2016 10:31 AM


Re: Growing pains
People who believe in aliens usually think they have empirical evidence for them. The word only means evidence through observation or experience, and people who believe in aliens (or ghosts or other invisible entities) usually claim some sort of observation or experience of them. Again, I'd guess you have some kind of evidence for your belief in them, but probably dismiss it because it isn't what you think of as "empirical" evidence.
By which I suppose you mean SHARABLE observation or experience. Like replicable science experiments anyone can do.
Of course there's always witness evidence and in fact that's probably the biggest category of evidence any of us has for anything we believe. Somebody else observed or experienced something and we either believe them or we don't.
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Message 81 of 203 (789530)
08-16-2016 11:18 AM
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08-16-2016 11:01 AM


Re: testable versus untestable.
Other things though seem by their very nature to be untestable. GOD and all other supernatural things fall in that later category. I simply can't imagine anyway to test and show something is supernatural.
Testable evidence is apparently what Cat Sci means by empirical evidence, which means observations or experiences that others can share. It's no doubt the most certain kind of evidence. But I agree it's not possible with supernatural things.
However, the idea that there is NO evidence for the supernatural is what I'm objecting to. That merely reflects the prejudice in favor of testable evidence of the scientific sort against all other kinds of evidence. Jesus taught us through Thomas' doubting what the disciples told him about the resurrection that it's important to believe the witness reports of people we know to be trustworthy. If you dismiss their testimony and demand to witness it yourself you're simply killing the evidence you need to believe in supernatural thngs.

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