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Author Topic:   Why did we stop inventing gods?
mike the wiz
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Message 135 of 203 (791052)
09-09-2016 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
08-13-2016 11:48 AM


Your entire opening post is an assertion. Look how many times you said, "invented", so as to avoid having to prove your case. Lol.
Look at all of the question-begging-epithets you used, and repeated. If you keep calling a man a woman do you think saying it over and over again proves your case?
What is, "immoral" under a Godless worldview remind us? Oh yes, I forget, it's "anything you say it is." (relativism) In which case, your opinion God is "immoral" is a matter of opinion. Which is an example of sawing off the branch you are sitting on.
Under atheism, an implication of an accidental universe is that all morality is only relative conditioning, so to state God is, "immoral" could only be regarded as your subjective opinion, to refute you all a person has to do is literally say, "I disagree God is immoral" and who is to say they are wrong and you are right, under the logic of relativism?
First prove God is invented. All you offer so far is a generalisation-fallacy that because it seems clear gods can be invented, all gods are, and it seems even that fallacy wasn't fully formed, you kind of only got half the impression across by simply stating different examples of God, it is hard to interpret your convoluted, gibberish.
Obviously it is possible to create gods, yes, which if anything is problematic because that can in no way tell you if God does not exist, it just means a lot of shallow baloney-gods clearly invented to fill gaps, DON'T exist.
To jump to the conclusion that because we know men can invent false gods, and some clearly are, doesn't mean that all gods are false, which is a hasty generalisation.
The fact God says not to create idols or seek after other gods in the bible, can be taken as evidence that God does not want mankind to create false gods BECAUSE it will mislead them into concluding that He is not God. But of course, we instead have to GRANT your assumptions that God is not speaking. But you offer no argumentation, you just assert your beliefs He is invented.
So what!
I see that search for a god as a search for the best laws and rules to live life by
Who cares. You don't know God, have never had Him speak to you or known His presence. So why should an ignorant, relative opinion matter to me anyway? If you knew someone and knew them well and an ignorant twonk came up to you and said all false things about that person because they didn't know Him, why would you value their opinion as anything more than ignorant drivel?
Arrogant too, given they speak confidently about knowledge they do not have.
Your post isn't going to make Him invented dude, because the butterflies and trees will still exist in the morning, which is the clear evidence of His handiwork, and a trillion scientists saying otherwise won't make those baked beans unbaked.

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mike the wiz
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Message 136 of 203 (791053)
09-09-2016 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Greatest I am
09-09-2016 10:04 AM


Re: Human Responsibility vs Gods Responsibility
The greatest I am writes:
Is it helping people to tell them they should honor a genocidal son murdering god who tells us to venerate life while he kills instead of cures those he thinks defective?
Christ said He was the, "I am" and they tried to stone Him for it, He was saying He was God incarnate, He also said He laid down His life of His own accord.
This absurd play of making God the Father the bad cop and Christ the good cop, is based on ignorance of Christianity. God is always a union, His will is always the same. "I and the Father are one".
Your perverted, twisted SPIN coupled with the heavy buz-word epithets "genocidal" and "murdering", is just that, and nothing more. For if God kills, as He has the right to, as He is not a man, then it is not "murder" or "genocide" for that would presume anthropomorphism, as though God has sinful, human motives. A laughably obtuse argument given the bible defines God as totally righteous, meaning it can only follow that His motives are righteous even if the effect SEEMS unrighteous from a limited human scope.
Why don't you actually create some reasonings rather than constantly relying on question-begging-epithets? Notice you don't have to prove any of these claims, like your claim God is a murderer? You just state some shocking emotive words, and think your case is then proven.
Try using your brain, and actually argue your case instead of just using epithets in place of arguments.
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mike the wiz
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Message 137 of 203 (791054)
09-09-2016 2:51 PM


Why did we stop inventing gods? This is an inclusive statement "we". Your reasoning is based on generalisation, guilt-by-assocation, and group reasoning, etc... as though "we" are all guilty. Note the, "we", but in fact that presumes the whole group "humans" are guilty when in fact it was perhaps only comparatively few humans which invented some of the false gods which seem to certainly only be invented to fill gaps.
Which ones? We can only dismiss them reasonably. Logically, the fact we know lots of gods are very probably invented, because of mutual exclusions, obviously means we can't know if all gods are invented.
Where is the argument that proves the assumption that God is invented?
Are you dead because victims of world war 2 are dead? For example, if I invent a god right now for you and call him Zor, god of thunder, will that mean that all of the intelligent design and intelligibility in the universe, now doesn't exist? For all you know, it can only exist because God created it.
Obviously humans can invent concepts and fictional gods, easily, by invention, but that does not address the issue of whether God exists or not, otherwise ultimately that is the genetic fallacy by presumption;
The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue[1]) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
The fallacy therefore fails to assess the claim on its merit. The first criterion of a good argument is that the premises must have bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim in question.[2] Genetic accounts of an issue may be true, and they may help illuminate the reasons why the issue has assumed its present form, but they are not conclusive in determining its merits..............."You're not going to wear a wedding ring, are you? Don't you know that the wedding ring originally symbolized ankle chains worn by women to prevent them from running away from their husbands? I would not have thought you would be a party to such a sexist practice."
There are numerous motives explaining why people choose to wear wedding rings, but it would be a logical fallacy to presume those who continue the tradition are promoting sexism.
Genetic fallacy - Wikipedia
Even if people did invent gods, this tells us nothing of His existence for we are only looking at SOURCES. In the same way it would be like me arguing that Darwin was a racist, so we have to deny evolution-theory, which would be absurd, for that would not affect the veracity of a theory. obviously if evolution was true, then it would precede Darwin. Obviously if God does exist, His existence would precede the invention of false gods.
Is this the best you have? Because right now Khan, I'm "LAUGHING at the superior intellect." - Admiral Kirk, - The Wrath Of Khan.
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