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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
New Cat's Eye
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Message 74 of 175 (813446)
06-27-2017 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by ringo
06-27-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
How is your relationship with God different from my relationship with long John Silver?

God responds


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Message 78 of 175 (813564)
06-28-2017 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ringo
06-28-2017 3:07 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
New Cat's Eye writes:


God responds


Not to me He doesn't. Haven't we been through this before?

I dunno, but it's still the difference between my relationship with God and your relationship with long John Silver.


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Message 80 of 175 (813569)
06-28-2017 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by ringo
06-28-2017 3:45 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
We know that Long John Silver is a fictional character and a lot of people talk about their relationship with God.

But you can still call me crazy if you want to.


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Message 83 of 175 (813588)
06-28-2017 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by ringo
06-28-2017 4:02 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
We also know that (your) God is a fictional character. Just ask a billion Muslims.

They'd all agree with me that God exists and you're wrong so that's a billion in my favor

I don't doubt that (my) God is "inaccurate", I just doubt that He's fictional.

New Cat's Eye writes:

... a lot of people talk about their relationship with God.


A lot of people have a "personal relationship" with their favourite soap opera too.

New Cat's Eye writes:

But you can still call me crazy if you want to.


I'm just saying you're not fundamentally different from me.

Well you're obviously crazy But maybe I am too

And I was gonna say that maybe your relationship with LJS is on par with mine with God, I dunno what you're doing up there all by yourself, but it's whatever. I don't think I'm very right, I just know it's not fake.


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Message 85 of 175 (813611)
06-29-2017 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by NoNukes
06-28-2017 11:55 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
I don't doubt that (my) God is "inaccurate", I just doubt that He's fictional.

Interesting. Do you believe that the basis for your belief is something that would stand up to the scrutiny of a scientific investigation?

I think the results would be inconclusive, but I'm gonna say "no" here - depending on what you mean by standing up to it. I mean, we'd be dealing with emotions and feelings n'stuff, so I'm not sure how much scientific scrutiny we're going to achieve.

If you're asking about any kind of, say, "success" in that endeavor, then I can more easily so that I don't think that's going to happen.

If not, then why shouldn't that affect your opinion of the beliefs of others regarding say the Flood.

My belief in God is based on direct experience. Nobody here today saw the Flood.

Also, we know for a fact that the entire planet has not been covered in water since humans have been here - so regardless of the basis for their belief I already know they're wrong.


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Message 88 of 175 (813655)
06-29-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by ringo
06-29-2017 11:47 AM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
New Cat's Eye writes:

They'd all agree with me that God exists and you're wrong so that's a billion in my favor


No, that doesn't count. That's like saying Long John Silver is the equivalent of Holden Caulfield.

No, it's like saying the movie version of Long John Silver is better than the book one.

I might agree that they exist on the same level but I can still like one more than the other.

I'm saying a billion muslims would agree with me that God exists - that their concept of god differs some from mine doesn't make mine a fictional character.


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Message 92 of 175 (813749)
06-30-2017 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by ringo
06-30-2017 11:46 AM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
So, as I've asked before, how DO you recognize the real Slim Shady? Is it just coincidence that you believe in the same Slim Shady as your neighbours? Is it just coincidence that Cleopatra and Tutankhamen believed in the same Slim Shady, though different from yours?

In my experience, you don't. It takes faith.

I don't know that what I experienced was God. I do think that the concept that most people use the word "God" to describe does fit for the thing that I encountered. I can't tell if my opinions about it our accurate or not, and I don't know if the way my parents raised me was on track.

I asked them about how I was raised, and what they believe, and we all came to the conclusion that it was a good track to be on. While the odds are that we're off on a lot of things, given the reality of God I can be confident that the teachings that I've receieved are an honest attempt to understand what's going on here.

With the history of my family, and those that came before me following in these footsteps (and the successes that this family has achieved and continues to pass forward), I can accept that our religion is a good way to approach an attempt at figuring out this thing that we cannot understand.

So I'm in.


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Message 108 of 175 (813985)
07-03-2017 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by NoNukes
06-30-2017 8:14 PM


Re: Imagine If You Dare
My belief in God is based on direct experience. Nobody here today saw the Flood.

No, they did not, but then nobody saw the sun forming from a ball of hydrogen gas either. Most of us don't even have personal experience with the evidence that the sun formed in that way.

If The Flood did occur, then God is giving us false evidence - and that's wrong.

Too, if the sun was created ex nihilo rather than forming, then should see evidence of that. Since the evidence suggests that it formed, if it was created then that would be a trick as well.

So it's not just about being based on direct experience, but also what are the ramifications of the belief being true.

My experience with God could have been a trick. But if it wasn't God, then it wasn't God who was tricking me


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Message 109 of 175 (813986)
07-03-2017 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
07-01-2017 9:59 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
It's a stupid law of the land if it allows freedom to openly totalitarian murderous "religions."

Who and how do we decide which religions are worth of our protection?


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