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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
Taq
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Message 56 of 175 (791537)
09-16-2016 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Phat
08-21-2016 10:03 PM


Re: Where is the problem?
Phat writes:

Some folks believe that there are many truths. I believe there is one truth. Some folks believe that there are many ways to believe and that it is arrogant to assume that one has the correct belief if such a thing exists. Perhaps I am arrogant, but I find it hard to compromise without weakening my basic stance.

This is the type of arrogance that humanism is trying to cure humanity of. You actually think that reality conforms to your beliefs. Not only that, but you refuse to even consider that you are wrong.

Humanism takes the much more humble and logical approach of always assuming that you could be wrong, and understanding that our beliefs must conform to reality.

On top of that, religion asks its members to believe that something is immoral for the singular reason that some guy living thousands of years ago wrote in a book that it was immoral. It asks for the abdication of reason, logic, empathy, and morality in trade for obedience to authority figures and a book. Who wants that?


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Message 59 of 175 (791544)
09-16-2016 2:08 PM
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09-16-2016 1:07 PM


Re: Where is the problem?
Phat writes:

To be honest, reality "changed" when I got saved. I know it sounds illogical and that there are ready psychological explanations for this, but I believe that I was filled with a new worldview. The church didnt brainwash this, though the teachings largely confirmed it.

Reality doesn't change, and it certainly doesn't change to conform to our beliefs.

And this is what jar tries to teach. The reason that I dont agree with his beliefs is because he doesnt get the "saved" thing....and i confess I didnt expect it. I changed totally in one day...critics will argue that even Saul becoming Paul was a minor thing...but I am convinced that this phenomenon happens. I know you guys have the more logical argument here...objectively at least.

We get it just fine. You had an experience that has led you to believe things for which you have no evidence. You also shield yourself from doubting those beliefs, even when there is logical reasons to do so. We understand why people convince themselves to believe things.


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