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Author Topic:   A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto
Faith
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Message 121 of 174 (866806)
11-16-2019 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by jar
11-16-2019 8:11 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
The state's definition of marriage is ********** when there is a definition given by God, and it's God's Christians are obliged to honor: marriage is beteween one man and one woman, period.

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Message 122 of 174 (866808)
11-16-2019 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
11-16-2019 8:24 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
quote:
What did I say about you on my blog? I know it wasn't a *** because I don't ***, but I don't remember it. Is that why you've been so unbelievably ***** to me all these years?

You don’t lie? That’s a contender for the biggest lie on this forum.

If I recall correctly it was the assertion that I “wouldn’t ,eat you have your beliefs”. Which was completely untrue.

And no, I haven’t been unbelievably ***** to you. You’re the nastiest regular poster on this site.

quote:
Stop ***** about me. There is no discrimination against gays as such, they are not barred from anything anyone else may enjoy. Marriage is not for gays.

So there you are demanding that the state discriminate against gays based purely on your religious belief. Which has no place in US law.
Again, it is purely a matter of secular law.

quote:
Stop ***** about me. I support Trump for his policies, for objecting to abortion, for wanting orderly legal immigration, for wanting a wall at our souther bordern, for improving the economy, putting millions to work, taking them off food stamps, above all and primarily for loving America and putting American interests above all others.

Well let me point out that he’s been putting his own interests ahead of America’s in the Ukraine, and likely in other areas (like the tax. cuts). The wall is a silly waste of money - if it was cost-effective it would have been done earlier.

quote:
He has done nothing wrong in all the Left's attempts to hang something on him

He’s done a number of wrong things. Most of them weren’t serious enough to get past his supporters in the Senate.

quote:
... He did nothing wrong in the phone call, and he'd already been exonerated of any wrongdoinjg by the Mueller report: no collusion, no obstruction of justice, Now they are trying to find something else

Because making military aid dependent on personal favours isn’t wrong ? Even when it is important for American interests? There’s a reason why that transcript was misclassifued. And Mueller did find evidence of collusion and obstruction of justice.

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Everythign they find is something they invent to be something it isn't. They call it impeachable but it's not. Oh they may impeach him anyway and get away with it but all that means is that America is dead.

Why would America be dead if a rogue President is impeached? That’s why impeachment is in the Cinstitution. And which of Trump’s policies - that you care about - would stop if Pence replaced Trump? I can’t imagine Pence doing less about abortion. .


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jar
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Message 123 of 174 (866810)
11-16-2019 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
11-16-2019 8:27 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

The state's definition of marriage is ********** when there is a definition given by God, and it's God's Christians are obliged to honor: marriage is beteween one man and one woman, period.

Sorry Faith but reality once again simply says you are wrong. It's fine for the God you made up to determine the rules for your cult but you do not get to redefine marriage for anyone else.

Reality Faith. Marriage is a State Licensed legal contract.

NEITHER YOU OR THE GOD YOU CREATED GET TO REDEFINE THIS.


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ringo
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Message 124 of 174 (866817)
11-16-2019 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
11-16-2019 8:27 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

... marriage is beteween one man and one woman, period.


That's a very modern romantic concept. Throughout most of human history, including Biblical history, marriage was an agreement between two men - a father paying another man to take his daughter off his hands.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Faith
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Message 125 of 174 (866824)
11-16-2019 11:30 AM
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11-16-2019 9:44 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
It's no longer a free country so I'm not allowed to obey God over the state, which means I'll obey God if I'm put in the position to choose, and take my punishment.

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Faith
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Message 126 of 174 (866825)
11-16-2019 11:33 AM
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11-16-2019 11:01 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Gen 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his ****** and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

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Message 127 of 174 (866828)
11-16-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Jacob bought his wife. In fact, Laban pulled the old bait-and-switch and Jacob had to buy two wives. He also cleaved unto two servant girls.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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Faith
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Message 128 of 174 (866829)
11-16-2019 11:43 AM
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11-16-2019 11:40 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
I didn't say they OBEYED the law, I merely stated the law.

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jar
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Message 129 of 174 (866830)
11-16-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:30 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

It's no longer a free country so I'm not allowed to obey God over the state, which means I'll obey God if I'm put in the position to choose, and take my punishment.

Of course this is still a free country but while you are free to make up any God you want that does not mean you are free to break the laws of the State.


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PaulK
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Message 130 of 174 (866831)
11-16-2019 11:50 AM
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11-16-2019 11:30 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
quote:
It's no longer a free country so I'm not allowed to obey God over the state...

Just like the segregationists. But you’re fine with that. Why should you be treated any differently from them ?


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Message 131 of 174 (866832)
11-16-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:43 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Faith writes:

I didn't say they OBEYED the law, I merely stated the law.


It's not a law. The Commandments mention no such law.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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AZPaul3
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Message 132 of 174 (866862)
11-16-2019 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:30 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Of course it's still a free country. You are free to obey your god to your hearts content. No one is going to deny you that right.

But everyone else is also free to obey their own gods or lack thereof without any interference from you.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 133 of 174 (866863)
11-16-2019 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
11-16-2019 11:43 AM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
Recognize there is no such law except for you christians. Your laws do not apply to the rest of us. You can no longer dictate to the rest of non-christian society. Hell, you folk can't even dictate to your own anymore. 10,000 cults and everyone is different. Just like all the rest of the christian cults yours is a minority with no more say on the greater church than I.

Obey what you want how you want but don't expect the rest of us to follow.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 134 of 174 (866867)
11-16-2019 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by AZPaul3
11-16-2019 5:53 PM


only some Christians.
AZPaul3 writes:

Recognize there is no such law except for you christians.

Not all Christians, just some of the CCoI cult Christians.


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Faith
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Message 135 of 174 (866868)
11-16-2019 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by AZPaul3
11-16-2019 5:53 PM


Re: Humanist Clout vs Theocratic Clout
That was quite a rant.l To no good purpose that I can see since I said absolutely nothing that applies to anyone but myself and others who belive what I believe. And what I believe is based on the ***** so any cults that don't accept the ***** or interpret away the passage about marriage are not included. It's all about those who believe what I believe based on the *****, and that is that God has defined marriage and it's only for male with female, period. And if the secular government defines it some other way then I and all those who believe as I do will disobey it in order to obey God. That's it. Do as you please, I never said you should do anything different.

Ha ha! I see Percy has been having himself a good old time ********* every single word I write.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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