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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The checks and balancers are intended to control the GOVERNING INSTITUTIONS that tend to usurp power over each other and over the people, not the people themselves. The Supreme Court has been usurping power over both the other branches of government and over the people for at least a century now.
It's not that there was no intent to keep majority rule within bounds too, but not to the extent we are seeing today and that you are apparently ap0proving. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 275 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The checks and balancers are intended to control the GOVERNING INSTITUTIONS that tend to usurp power over each other and over the people, not the people themselves. And yet when the Supreme Court made gay people a little more free, some people complained! Can you imagine?
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And the New York Supreme Court just carried things a step further and redefined parenthood as well.
quote: Thank God!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
When they make an extreme minority "a little more free" against the will of the majority they are indeed usurping power over the people.
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: When they make an extreme minority "a little more free" against the will of the majority they are indeed usurping power over the people. Two issues with what you post Faith. First, that is not usurping but rather the duty of the SCOTUS and second, the majority has consistently supported gay marriage.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The majority of the people have NOT supported gay marriage at all. The court has been bullying them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"...a little more free" is a gross misrepresentation of extending marriage to couples who have no qualifications for marriage whatever.
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jar Member (Idle past 384 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The majority of the people have NOT supported gay marriage at all. The court has been bullying them. We know you like to make that claim and very likely even believe it is true but just like Young Earth or the Biblical floods or Special Creation it is simply your fantasy.
quote:from this source The Presbyterian Church USA votes recognize Same Sex marriages The Episcopal and Lutheran churches now recognize same sex marriages and even openly gay pastors, priests, deacons and bishops. Before the SCOTUS issued their ruling 38 US States had legalized same sex marriages and nationwide polls in the US showed that over 60% of the population supported the concept of same-sex marriages.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4320 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: The checks and balancers are intended to control the GOVERNING INSTITUTIONS that tend to usurp power over the people, not the people themselves. Yes, exactly correct. The Bill of Rights and some of the Amendments to the Constitution say some very specific things about what the government can and cannot do to citizens. For example, it is unconstitutional for me and a bunch of people I convince to vote to take away religious people’s bibles and to stop all sales of bibles. If we won the election, we could not force the police or any other governmental agency to enforce the new law. It would be unconstitutional. I cannot enforce a law that takes away the rights of law abiding citizens, just because I don't like them, or that bestows special rights on myself or my favorite bunch of people. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter in the United States of which laws enforceable under the constitution. They have many laws to consider each session and there are often large contentious groups supporters arguing for various positions regarding the law. The framers and amenders of the U. S. Constitution have not always got things right and over the course of our history the court has been politicized. When the court renders a decision, people being employed by GOVERNING INSTITUTIONS, in other words PUBLIC EMPLOYEES are required to perform the function of their position. PUBLIC EMPLOYEES are paid from taxes collected from everyone so they have no right to discriminate against law abiding citizens requesting service from PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. You’re also wrong about this being treating other people decently and not being an asshole run amok What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 275 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
When they make an extreme minority "a little more free" against the will of the majority they are indeed usurping power over the people. In the first place, the opponents of gay marriage are not in the majority. Which apparently means that the rest of us are entitled to do what the fuck we like to you. You think it's unfair that gay people are happy, see how you like being thrown to the lions. Apparently in Faithworld that's constitutional.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 275 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
"...a little more free" is a gross misrepresentation of extending marriage to couples who have no qualifications for marriage whatever. That's one of the things they are now free to decide for themselves.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2364 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
quote: Oh, now I see you're conceding that the what you wrote below about the Constitution is wrong.
quote: ThanksJB
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, I have no problem affirming both: majority rules but not utterly without restraint. Kind of obvious wouldn't you think?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3940 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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As I understand it, it was her job to sign-off on marriage licenses for those who were legally entitled to such.
Gay were legally entitled to such. She refused to sign-off on marriage licenses for gays. She was not doing her job, and got sued as a result. The law changed such that it was no longer her job to sign-off on said licenses. She was no longer not doing her job, and the lawsuits got thrown out. Moral of the story - If doing your job conflicts with your personal beliefs, either get your job description changed or get a different job. I believe it's as simple as that. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
She got the job when she was not required to sign off on gay marriage licenses. I think it was even an elected position, wasn't it? She was well suited to its requirements and did a lot to improve the office according to her election promises. She had been a Christian for a few years when the gay marriage law came along, until which point there was no problem with her practicing her religion and holding that job, as in America there never should be. Seems rather nasty for the law to change things in a way that jeopardized her position in the middle of her holding it.
So changing the law that required her to sign off on gay marriage licenses seems like a fair enough compromise under the circumstances, but of course in a conflict between Christian faith and sin elevated to a right I'd much rather it was her faith that was protected as it always used to be. But we're headed for the Grand Finale so let it all hang out, hey? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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