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Theodoric
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Message 61 of 103 (790524)
08-31-2016 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
08-30-2016 8:31 PM


Wrong again.
Facts seem to have a liberal agenda after all.

quote:
Based on polling in 2016, a majority of Americans (55%) support same-sex marriage, compared with 37% who oppose it.

Was hoping to embed the chart. Doesn't seem to work. If anyone has ideas let me know.

Chart

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Edited by AdminPhat, : tried to embed chart...without success


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 62 of 103 (790528)
08-31-2016 10:16 AM
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08-31-2016 5:30 AM


Re: It was her job, then it wasn't
So changing the law that required her to sign off on gay marriage licenses seems like a fair enough compromise under the circumstances ...

She had six deputy clerks. A fair compromise would have been that they issued the licences. She ordered them not to. And all the American religious right rose up as one and said that the deputies should be free to choose according to the dictates of their own consciences, haha, just kidding, of course not.


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Faith
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Message 63 of 103 (790529)
08-31-2016 10:31 AM
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08-31-2016 10:16 AM


Re: It was her job, then it wasn't
She refused because her name had to be on the licenses. When the new law removed that requirement the deputies could issue the licenses.

I'm sure the deputies could have refused on their consciences too but apparently it wasn't a problem for them.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 64 of 103 (790531)
08-31-2016 10:34 AM
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08-31-2016 9:53 AM


The percentage of those who accept is higher now than it was a few years ago. When the law came down forcing it on the nation a majority did not accept it.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 65 of 103 (790532)
08-31-2016 10:44 AM
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08-30-2016 8:23 AM


Sounds good but it's really just a form of tyranny that denies freedom of belief to those you disagree with, because there is no way to have freedom of opinion if you are forbidden to act on it.

When you hold public office, you are duty bound to to act impartially. No one is saying she isn't free to hold her beliefs or even the right to protest. But in the end the only solution is that she either complies or she finds employment elsewhere. I hold public office and there is plenty of policies and laws that I find disagreeable... But my feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the performance of my duties.

And you know, people would probably respect her a lot more if she simply resigned because they conflicted with her core moral beliefs. Instead she demands that the system kowtow to her.

The solution it seems to me is to avoid situations where there is sure to be a clash. Don't ask a Christian bakery to design a wedding cake for a gay marriage and so on. Have some Danish and coffee and order your cake elsewhere.

You cannot lump the two together because one is public office and the other is a private enterprise. You're absolutely right about the baker reserving the right to refuse service, but Davis is a government employee.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 66 of 103 (790533)
08-31-2016 10:47 AM
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08-30-2016 5:41 AM


She had the job before the Supreme Court put her in a corner regarding her Christian faith.
Yes this is a victory for religious freedom. Gay marriage is a violation of God's Law.

So is getting married three separate times without it involving death or infidelity, which is the case with the philandering Kim Davis. But don't let that get in the way of a good moral defense, aye

"Woe to you, Pharisees! You hypocrites!" - Jesus of Nazareth


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 67 of 103 (790534)
08-31-2016 10:49 AM
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08-31-2016 10:44 AM


And you think it's just fine that she was forced to accept a law against her conscience that was enacted after she had been in her position for a number of years? Certainly the world is going to do what it can to put Christians in this sort of position, it's a form of persecution. And we're going to have to live with it because more is coming. But there's something wrong with your attituder about it. Oh, but you aren't a Christian any more are you.

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Faith
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Message 68 of 103 (790535)
08-31-2016 10:50 AM
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08-31-2016 10:47 AM


She became a Christian after her divorces. Jesus saves sinners, remember? If she divorced now you could accuse her of hypocrisy; but otherwise you are just pulling the usual false anti-Christian fingerpointing.

ABE: Oh and by the way a while back you accused me of denying the scripture about women's headcovering. Why I don't know, something you assumed without knowledge. I've had a blog up on the subject for nine years arguing that we should cover our heads in church. So much for your honesty and fairness.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 69 of 103 (790536)
08-31-2016 10:52 AM
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08-31-2016 10:49 AM


And you think it's just fine that she was forced to accept a law against her conscience that was enacted after she had been in her position for a number of years? Certainly the world is going to do what it can to put Christians in this sort of position, it's a form of persecution. And we're going to have to live with it because more is coming. But there's something wrong with your attituder about it. Oh, but you aren't a Christian any more are you.

So then this is about religious convictions... We can assume then it would be acceptable for Jews or Muslims in public office to stone women on their periods then?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 70 of 103 (790537)
08-31-2016 10:56 AM
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08-31-2016 10:52 AM


Sure, why not? And let's bring in the Hindu practice of burning the wife when her husband dies too. And while we're at it let's sacrifice our babies to Molech -- oh I forgot, we're already doing that, only his name is Planned Parenthood.

Also please read the part of my post about the woman's headcovering.


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ramoss
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Message 71 of 103 (790538)
08-31-2016 11:01 AM
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08-30-2016 9:03 AM


If they are treated like else, then, they should be given all the services , such as marriage licences , just like everyone else. Ms Davis, through the religiously motivated bigotry, wasn't doing that.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 72 of 103 (790539)
08-31-2016 11:02 AM
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08-31-2016 10:50 AM


She became a Christian after her divorces. Jesus saves sinners, remember? If she divorced now you could accuse her of hypocrisy; but otherwise you are just pulling the usual false anti-Christian fingerpointing.
ABE: Oh and by the way a while back you accused me of denying the scripture about women's headcovering. Why I don't know, something you assumed without knowledge. I've had a blog up on the subject for nine years arguing that we should cover our heads in church. So much for your honesty and fairness.

I'll bet you never speak in the church either, as Paul, through Almighty God, has commanded. Not that any of this is relevant to the conversation.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith
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Message 73 of 103 (790540)
08-31-2016 11:05 AM
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08-31-2016 11:01 AM


Right, what used to be the moral backbone of the nation is now " religious bigotry." Word magic is powerful. it's OK now to marry people who have no natural reason to marry, against the cultural and religious standards that every nation accepted until recently, and it's OK to kill babies in the millions, because that's what our progressive nation now prefers to the Christianity that built it. Fine, that's the way things are going. I guess more of us will be sitting in jail as time goes by. That should make you happy.

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Faith
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Message 74 of 103 (790541)
08-31-2016 11:07 AM
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08-31-2016 11:02 AM


Yes I also believe women aren't to speak in church.

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Message 75 of 103 (790546)
08-31-2016 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Faith
08-30-2016 6:38 PM


Sorry if I didn't reply. What can I say? Times change, people's minds change.

Really. That's all you've got? You'd have our country run like this, a willy-nilly hodgepodge of changing laws every few years, as each side plays tug-of-war with people's families?

For you to refuse to think through your position is simply astonishing.


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