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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design just a question for evolutionists
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Message 87 of 146 (792693)
10-13-2016 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by JonF
10-11-2016 9:33 PM


Re: Life Looks Engineered
I dunno, the blob on the bottom could be a stationary motor housing, the middle part an axle, and the top part a colorful rotating assemblage to entertain an infant.

Don't you see -- it's a jack-in-the-box, you crank the handle and out pops god.

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Message 111 of 146 (793586)
11-02-2016 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Genomicus
11-01-2016 10:57 PM


But when we look at life on a biochemical/molecular level, the analogy with engineering strengthens, rather than weakens. ...

No. As an engineer, a designer, and a partial micro-biologist (courses taken but no degree), and as the son of a biology professor that I often discussed such things with (before he passed), I can definitively say that this is wrong.

There are two things engineers employ that contradict this assertion:

1. KISS -- Keep It Simple Stupid -- means no frills or "spandrels" that don't add to the structure or the function. Think of a bicycle in it's simplest form. Nothing that is not needed.

2. Cost-Benefit Analysis -- to ensure the design is cost efficient with little or no wasted time or material.

So when I "drill down" to the microbiological level I see waste, and over complication, and more of the impression of systems pieced together ad hoc, jury-rigged to accomplish tasks with little control on timing.

This is a rather shoddy argument, ...

The cell design is rather shoddy and make-do, rather than engineered, with a lot of duplication of effort.

... Paley's argument was that life "looks designed," and therefore was designed (by agency). ...

Which, as you should know, is a logical fallacy. A → B does not mean B → A.

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Message 129 of 146 (793693)
11-04-2016 8:50 AM
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11-02-2016 3:33 PM


Brakes are for sissies.

with some "onesies" there is no freewheeling, so pedals linked directly to wheel.


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