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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design just a question for evolutionists
Tangle
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Message 16 of 146 (792330)
10-07-2016 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
10-06-2016 6:04 PM


MtW writes:

The syllogism I have used for ID, was never meant to be used as a creationist argument, but only as a way to ASCERTAIN if an object or thing, is designed;

If something has the elements of design it is designed. (X is X, Law of identity)
Life has the elements of design
Therefore life is designed.

Despite the fact that it IS a creationist argument and you ARE a creationist - the journalistic principle of 'consider the source' always applies - syllogisms don't prove anything - they're as likely to be invalid as valid. So.....

All animals have 4 legs
A dog has 4 legs
Therefore a dog is an animal

..... turns out by observation to be correct

But...

All elephants have 4 legs
All tables have 4 legs
Therefore all tables are elephants

.....turns out by observation not to be correct

You can't prove anything with words - your syllogism turns out to be nothing more than a weak hypothesis that can only be proven by observation, measurement, testing and experiment. ie science. And science dismisses it. Game over.


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10-07-2016 6:47 AM
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10-07-2016 6:15 AM


MtW writes:

If you want to give an example of a SOUND syllogism...

To mirror your daft approach to knowledge, this is a fallacy of tautology and begging the question ... 'if it's true, then it's true'.

We can't know a table isn't an elephant without observation. Once we have observation - i.e. science - we know. Until we know, the syllogism is worthless because we can't tell whether it's valid or otherwise.

The 'conclusion' derived from the syllogism is merely a hypothesis. Your word tricks are far inferior to observation and indeed, depend on them.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 98 of 146 (793516)
10-31-2016 6:07 PM


Taq is being polite.

What we're all thinking is that your pseudo-logic waffle translates to:

'I think it looks designed, therefore Goddidit'

You've got some work to do, but it's very old argument that's been refuted over and over so unless you've got something new....

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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