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Author Topic:   The 2016 United States Presidential Election
ringo
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Message 7 of 892 (792388)
10-08-2016 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Big_Al35
10-08-2016 10:25 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
Looks as though he is another ringer for the Clintons.
Who's Clinton a ringer for?

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ringo
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Message 10 of 892 (792391)
10-08-2016 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Big_Al35
10-08-2016 12:57 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
More to the point - who is Billy Bush?
Just another clown in the clown show.

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ringo
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Message 28 of 892 (792556)
10-11-2016 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Percy
10-08-2016 1:56 PM


Re: More Backlash
Percy writes:
Trump seems unlikely to lose significant voter support, but you can't blame the voters. The message voters are sending this year is, "You politicians have done a terrible job running the country, we're angry, and we're demonstrating that anger by voting against anything smacking of the status quo."
"So we're cutting off our nose to spite our face."
In a democracy, I always blame the voters. My dad used to say that people get the government they deserve. That's why Canada's national sport is feeling superior to Americans.

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ringo
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Message 33 of 892 (792640)
10-12-2016 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Diomedes
10-11-2016 1:30 PM


Re: Recent Polls and Election Predictions
Diomedes writes:
Not only does he have many of the same character flaws as Clinton, he also brings to the table absolutely no political experience.
That's the problem with trying to overthrow the "political establishment". When you throw out the insiders you're also throwing out the experience on how to win elections.
As one commentator put it, elections are about adding, not subtracting. Unless the Republicans learn to broaden their base instead of solidifying what they already have, they're doomed to be a second-rate party (like the Canadian Conservatives).

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Message 55 of 892 (792711)
10-13-2016 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Diomedes
10-12-2016 3:15 PM


Re: Recent Polls and Election Predictions
Diomedes writes:
... at least Paul Ryan, who was not enamored with The Donald from the get go, has finally thrown up his hands in indignation and basically shown the middle finger to the Republican nominee.
My guess is that the current distancing from Trump is just a ploy to try to save some House and Senate seats. I doubt that the party "establishment" will learn anything from the Trump fiasco.

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ringo
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Message 132 of 892 (793165)
10-22-2016 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by xongsmith
10-21-2016 6:04 PM


Re: Gerrymandering solution?
xongsmith writes:
The Representatives should represent what YOU want, not some area of the state. You are essentially arguing for Government by the land owners.
No. Government by the residents. Didn't Thomas Paine say something to the effect that people on this side of the ocean are better able to manage their own affairs than some goober on the other side of the ocean?
xongsmith writes:
My Representatives (note the plural) are all from my party, all over the state, as a TEAM.
MY representatives, both at the provincial and federal level, are from a party that I wouldn't vote for if I live to be a million. But they're still MY representatives. They have a duty to represent me whether I voted for them or not. I'd rather be represented by my neighbour, regardless of our political differences, than by somebody a thousand miles away who happens to agree with my opinions.

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ringo
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Message 139 of 892 (793188)
10-23-2016 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by xongsmith
10-22-2016 2:55 PM


Re: Gerrymandering solution?
xongsmith writes:
We're talking within one state, not the other side of the ocean.
The difference between Manhattan and rural upstate New York is probably greater than the difference between 1776 London and 1776 Boston.
xongsmith writes:
As for the duty to represent you, who really does that these days?
You should be voting for somebody who will.
xongsmith writes:
But if I have NO NEIGHBOUR I LIKE, and I live in Texas' 1st District, why shouldn't I be able to vote for VaLinda Hathcox who was redistricted to District 4, next to District 1, instead of Shirley McKellar -
Why stop at state lines? Why shouldn't you be able to vote for somebody in Hawaii who agrees with you?

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ringo
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Message 140 of 892 (793189)
10-23-2016 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by caffeine
10-23-2016 1:53 PM


Re: Gerrymandering solution?
caffeine writes:
... anyone who pays attention to politics and wasn't an idiot....
You can't disenfranchise idiots.

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ringo
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Message 143 of 892 (793193)
10-23-2016 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by xongsmith
10-23-2016 3:21 PM


Re: Gerrymandering solution?
xongsmith writes:
There may be an issue within the US Constitution, however...i dunno.
I mentioned it because in Canada that's probably what would happen. Our federal government has control over federal elections (except for details like polling station opening and closing times). It's currently considering doing away with the first-past-the-post system, though I predict (and hope) that it will come to nothing.
If I voted Green the winning candidate would probably be in Vancouver where the climate is completely different. I'd rather be represented by somebody I can't agree with on anything than by somebody who doesn't have a clue.

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ringo
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Message 212 of 892 (793414)
10-28-2016 12:00 PM


We have this same thing going on in Canada - governments tearing out their hair at the idea that some people who want to vote may be ineligible.
I say, if people want to vote, let them vote. I'd rather see a thousand illegitimate votes than prevent one legitimate one.
In Canada, we used to vote without even showing ID. Now you practically have to give a DNA sample. No wonder voter turnout is declining.

  
ringo
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Message 267 of 892 (793724)
11-05-2016 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by AZPaul3
11-05-2016 3:53 AM


Re: the making of Trump
AZPaul3 writes:
The same America that made Bernie Sanders made Donald Trump. The difference is that the GOP base made a welcoming home for the exploitative, racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American Donald Trump.
And Bernie Sanders made a welcoming home for all the pseudo-lefties who are too holier-than-thou to vote for Hillary Clinton.

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ringo
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Message 290 of 892 (793959)
11-07-2016 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by NoNukes
11-07-2016 12:07 PM


Re: Well, I did my part
NoNukes writes:
I expect that Garland's name will be withdrawn.
It's interesting that most Canadians probably couldn't name even one member of our Supreme Court. It seems to me that impartiality and anonymity go hand in hand.

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ringo
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Message 358 of 892 (794083)
11-09-2016 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by dronestar
11-09-2016 2:55 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
dronestar writes:
IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president?
You don't seem to understand how democracy works. You'd be hard-pressed to find a US legislator who has never voted for something that caused deaths directly or indirectly. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a US voter who has never voted for one of them. By your ridiculous standard, the only Americans who aren't war criminals are the ones who don't vote.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 361 of 892 (794086)
11-09-2016 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by dronestar
11-09-2016 3:58 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
dronestar writes:
Look up "crime of aggression."
What part of "crime of aggression" covers one vote? And what part absolves the voters who voted for the voter?

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ringo
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Message 386 of 892 (794136)
11-10-2016 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by dronestar
11-09-2016 4:02 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
dronestar writes:
Wow, you already read both of Mod's posts?
If Mod wants to explain his position to me, he's welcome to do so. Apparently you have nothing of your own to say.

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