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Author Topic:   The 2016 United States Presidential Election
Hyroglyphx
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Message 197 of 892 (793332)
10-26-2016 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
10-24-2016 10:40 AM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
A friend recently said he liked Trump because he would stand up to other world powers and wouldn't be afraid to push the nuclear button. He's attracted to Trump for the same things that terrify me.
I agree, except that ironically it's looking like Hillary has a much more itchy trigger finger. She may be a Democrat but she is as hawkish as they come and seems to be pushing for a No-Fly zone in Syria which would absolutely call for a Russian military response.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 231 of 892 (793520)
10-31-2016 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Percy
10-26-2016 9:57 AM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
Clinton's position is that a Syrian no-fly zone to save lives would only be implemented through negotiation
Sure, her official position is that it is to save lives, but the unofficial [and actual] reason is to keep the so-called Axis of Evil in check. This is all about keeping Russia/Iran/Syria/North Korea/China tightly constrained so that the United States and NATO allies can continue to do whatever they want unopposed.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 396 of 892 (794216)
11-11-2016 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by nwr
11-08-2016 10:45 AM


Re: The Clinton Machine
You know what? Dronestar and I share almost nothing in common... And I disagree with just about most of what he says. But guess what? At least he and RAZD have some self-respect, dignity to stand by their laurels, and some genuine conviction. And that goes along way in terms of demanding my respect for them despite some political differences.
Likewise, Bernie Sanders was in my opinion hopelessly naive about his socialist tendencies... But I respect the man, nevertheless. And I sensed genuine compassion in him, not based merely on his words, but a very clearly defined record of consistency that has spanned several decades. But the Queen of Flip Flop, Secretary Clinton??? A woman who would say or do anything as a political expediency? She would slit your grandmother's throat if she thought she could gain something by it.
The political assassination of Bernie Sanders was despicable and disgusting. This is what your darling Hillary Clinton and the bulk of the Democratic party is. She is an abysmal, degenerate sociopath who is would say or do anything to hold power. And that is truly a remarkable thing to say given Trump's megalomanical tendencies. But even his thirst for power cannot rival that of Hillary's.
You, sir, embody the duplicitous and ugly nature that is found within the Democratic Party. If ANY Republican candidate has done the things that she's done, you'd be morally outraged... But because it's your darling, you'll happily turn a blind eye while still asserting that you have the moral high ground.
Since I've been here, you've been a strong opponent to Bush's war machine in the interest of monetary gain. And that's commendable! But you fail to see Hillary's connection in all of it... which she wanted to extend further and further.
Her tentacles are all over Libya.... and Syria.... and if elected, do you not understand that we'd be at war with Russia, Iran, North Korea, and possibly China? Do you really not get that? Or are you so busy getting your bunk information from MSNBC, CNN, or any other outlet that's feeding you utter nonsense instead of looking at credible facts?
The best they had on Trump was that he commented on grabbing a chick's pussy (WHOA! STOP THE PRESSES! WHAT A SCANDAL!!) and he wants to vet the Syrian refugees that SHE FUCKING CREATED!?
Hillary Clinton and the bulk of the Democratic Party are a brood of vipers who sold their soul... and so did you if you continue to willfully deny reality.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 397 of 892 (794217)
11-11-2016 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 367 by Tangle
11-09-2016 6:38 PM


81% of evangelical and born-again Christians voted Trump.
What kind of religionist votes for the devil?
You should know by now that American Christians have no conviction and prefer American Jesus over historical Jesus.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 401 of 892 (794229)
11-11-2016 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by nwr
11-11-2016 3:03 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
You must be talking about a different Hillary Clinton. The one that I know about has been reasonably consistent throughout her public career.
That never happened.
Rrrrrrriiiiiiiight.... So Debbie Wasserman just stepped down for no reason? Because she's innocent, right? Oh, because it was those pesky Russian hackers.
If any candidate of any party had done the things that Clinton is falsely accused of doing, I would be outraged.
Evidently not given a treasure trove of improprieties on her part, the Clinton Foundation, and her cronies in the DNC.
What I object to, is the deliberate lies being told about her. The nation is not served well when people vote on the basis of lies. And both you and dronestar have been spreading lies about Hillary.
Which so-called lies in particular so we can address them? There's so many credited to her that we'd have to parcel through them.
If that's the only problem that you see with Trump, then you are completely blind with respect to policy questions.
Oh, no, there's plenty wrong with that guy. I was referencing political dirt... That's almost a joke compared to what Hillary Clinton has in terms of scandals.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 402 of 892 (794230)
11-11-2016 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by coffee_addict
11-11-2016 4:22 PM


I blame the election result on Sanders for having pushed Clinton too far to the left.
Ralph Nader was responsible for GWB. Now, Sanders is responsible for Trump.
These mother fuckers who ruin things with their regressive agendas need to crawl into the ground and die.
Or you could, ya know, blame Hillary Clinton for being such a piece of shit... She did this to herself. And the DNC did it to itself. The RNC had about a decade of similar underhanded scandals that took a long time to move passed. Now the Democrats have lost the presidency, the House, and the Senate. Absolutely catastrophic... Even somebody like myself who leans more to the right than most at EvC knows that is dangerous because it gives them carte blanche to pass insane laws. There's a reason they call it checks and balances... but now it's way too imbalanced.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 409 of 892 (794246)
11-12-2016 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 403 by nwr
11-11-2016 5:23 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
It occurs to me that maybe you and dronestar don't fully understand what Clinton voted for.
It's not a question of what she voted for, but what she demonstrates that she will vote for. She wants to control Syria as a No-Fly Zone, to which the Chiefs of Staff have already expressed would require commitment to open warfare with both Russia and Syria. It is also based on her dealings with Libya and Syria thus far as her role as Secretary.
As for her role in Syria as secretary of state: she had no ability to commit any troops. She could only make recommendations to the president. Any decision to commit troops would have been the president's.
That's only because the public made it so abundantly clear that we don't want to get dragged in to yet another quagmire of endless wars, such as we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan. The President was even reluctant to wage a small air campaign against ISIL based on such a negative response of the American people.
In half of her speeches during her push for the presidency, she threatened to engage Russia with an diplomatic, economic, and military response... That's pretty provocative given the fact that both Russia and NATO have been saber-rattling for the last year with these massive military drills.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 416 of 892 (794266)
11-13-2016 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2016 9:36 AM


Re: The Clinton Machine
She lost, so she will have zero input in the future of America. Who the fuck cares what she would have done now?
It was a discussion about people defending their reasons for voting for Hillary so obviously that necessitates things from the past to use as some kind of a metric to gauge future outcomes. It's really not that hard to understand, genius. You fear what Trump will do based on things he's said or done in the past.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 442 of 892 (794441)
11-15-2016 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Percy
11-15-2016 8:51 PM


Re: This is Getting Worrisome
I'd like to give Trump a chance. I'm against the "Not My President" movement - it's much too sooon, and it's contrary to American principles of democratic government. But the early signs are already not encouraging.
I'm sure this will go down spectacularly in flames -- something akin to the Hindenburg. The good news is that my expectations are already so low that I can't really ever be disappointed. So there's that...

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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