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Message 146 of 892 (793204)
10-24-2016 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Pressie
10-24-2016 6:19 AM


... the polls were underestimating the vote Trump would get by around 5 to 10% in a lot of states. Maybe the same thing is happening now?
In that case Trump is on track to lose the election by one of the biggest margins in US history. He may even eclipse the McGovern lose of 1972. If the polls are accurate, though, he could be the first major presidential candidate to receive 0 electoral college votes.

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Message 148 of 892 (793206)
10-24-2016 8:30 AM
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10-24-2016 7:59 AM


Trump may get 40% of the popular vote, but the electoral college is a different thing. McGovern ended up with 38% of the popular vote nation-wide but lost the election 520 to 17 electoral votes.
If he keeps trying hard, as he seems to be doing, Trump could get all the way to zero.

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Message 154 of 892 (793216)
10-24-2016 9:54 AM
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10-24-2016 9:19 AM


If The Donald is going to reach that elusive under-40% mark he is going to have to try a bit harder. He seems well on his way there and with some additional effort he can succeed. I have confidence in his intellectual ability to reach this level. The question comes down to just how stupid is the general electorate. If the great body politic of this nation hasn't totally fallen over the edge and retains at least some political reason then we may be able to help Trump attain a great record in electoral history. Reality says he may actually get some 100-130+- electoral votes, but, as I said, with an additional push, he is within striking distance of the McGovern record.
A major problem looms in the future, however. The Republicans have this annoying habit of trying to double-down on the insanity of their offerings these past few election cycles. How much lower can they go? 2020 scares me.

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Message 166 of 892 (793255)
10-24-2016 4:32 PM
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10-24-2016 10:40 AM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
For those who don't remember "The Daisy Spot" ...
This scared the bjesus out of the nation and was so powerful it ran only once before it was pulled as blatantly provocative. A scant 50 years ago politics still had some semblance of scruples.
I wonder if this same piece today (even more apropos re Trump's statements) would even make a ripple.

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Message 214 of 892 (793432)
10-28-2016 4:43 PM
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10-27-2016 3:22 PM


Re: Pence state rigging the election
The fix is in for Indiana ...
also:
Texas
Nebraska
North Carolina
Florida
Ohio
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Colorado
Arizona
Maine
Georgia
New Hampshire
Tennessee
all have implemented state laws and local level tactics targeted to suppress voter participation by college, black, latino, asian and other minority and progressive communities.
Surprise, surprise! These are all Republican controlled states.
Can't have liberals, progressives and all those others voting when they are demographically known to prefer Democrats over Republicans.
Can anyone show any like efforts in Democrat-controlled states to disenfranchise any segment of American voters?
Yes, the fix is in.

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Message 218 of 892 (793440)
10-29-2016 7:35 AM
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10-28-2016 5:10 PM


Re: Local experience with early voting
I must say it was the most hassle free voting I have experienced in the over 50 elections I've experienced.
Excellent. I, as well, had quite a relaxing experience voting this year as I stopped off at a neighbor's for conversation and coffee after dropping my ballot in the mail.
So, it can be done.
The question is why can't this be the experience of all American voters regardless of race, creed, color, location, education or shoe size? Why are so many forced to jump through bureaucratic hoops wound in red tape deliberately designed to foil their attempt to exercise their franchise?
The answer appears to be: Republicans.
Why is this allowed in this country?
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Message 235 of 892 (793552)
11-01-2016 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Theodoric
11-01-2016 10:16 AM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
What is it that US and NATO have conspired to do if unopposed?
It’s a test.
If the USA and its allies can show that we control the world and can keep the others in line thereby proving we are the superior human’s on this planet then we stand to gain the most startling technologies the aliens have to offer. New weapons, controllable machine super-intelligence, FTL star ships, virtually instant long range transport around the planet and the solar system, and, the end to disease, hunger, war. All we have to do is set up Siberia and a bit of northern China as a sanctuary home for the aliens to occupy free of human presence and interference and all these gifts will be ours. OK, so we would have to accept a wee bit more ammonia in our atmosphere (not to exceed 9% for the first 300 years) but we can handle that easy.
Anyway, that’s how I understand it.

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Message 245 of 892 (793604)
11-02-2016 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by xongsmith
11-02-2016 1:47 PM


Re: gerrymandering again
Look at the boundary of District 8, perhaps the most egregious.
And that's tame by comparison.
Have a gander at Ohio's 9th District. Four discontinuous areas segmented by other districts. Yes, the 9th is a Democrat district keeping all those democrats out of the surrounding four Republican districts.

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Message 249 of 892 (793610)
11-02-2016 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by xongsmith
11-02-2016 2:55 PM


Re: gerrymandering again
Check my Message 111
OK
What do you think? There must be something wrong with this idea. Right?
Help me out?
Too many Republicans!

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Message 250 of 892 (793632)
11-02-2016 7:31 PM


Could have been in Humor but more appropriate here:

  
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Message 265 of 892 (793718)
11-05-2016 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by RAZD
11-04-2016 10:30 PM


Re: the making of Trump
Capitalism is a strong plank in the American ideal, but the exploitative, abusive, form that today characterizes American Capitalism was dealt a stinging rebuke at the turn of the prior century. Its resurrection in today's form is a recent GOP creation with the rise of Ronald Reagan.
But that is not all there is to the GOP. The other planks to the GOP base are the racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American ideals that rose to prominence with the abusive religious right within the GOP.
The same America that made Bernie Sanders made Donald Trump. The difference is that the GOP base made a welcoming home for the exploitative, racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American Donald Trump. So, yes, the GOP found and adopted this monster made in their own image.
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Message 317 of 892 (794028)
11-09-2016 4:15 AM


I woke up on the morning of Tuesday, November 4, 1980, to the news that during the night the entire nation had just jumped hard to the right. Today, I woke up early to the news that during the night the entire nation had just jumped into a cesspool.
As bad as the prospect of Trump in the White House is that ain’t the worst of it. The Republicans retain the Senate. That means conservative jurists on the Supreme Court and on the hundred+ other vacant federal benches across the nation. That means the loss of reproductive rights, the loss of marriage rights, the loss of voting rights, the loss of civil rights, the loss of human rights for generations to come.
Again, we learn to never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.
On behalf of what little remains of American National sanity, I apologize to the nations and to the people of Earth.
I think I’m going to be sick
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Message 467 of 892 (794809)
11-26-2016 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by RAZD
11-26-2016 11:50 AM


Re: Election Fraud 2016
Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein is pushing for vote recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, three traditionally Democratic states where Donald Trump did much better than expected on Nov. 8. And donors pitched in to fund them, surpassing a $2 million goal in just hours.
The money keeps pouring in, showing a vast dissatisfaction with the election results.
This seems a more proper way to deal with the results than protesting #notmypresident.
This will drag on for many months and in the courts for longer. By then Trump will have been sworn in and will be in the Oval Office. Only impeachment could remove him and I doubt the Republican House will go there. You can bet the Republican Senate would never convict.
Donald Trump will be our next President until removed by the congress or, in four years, by the voters.

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Message 480 of 892 (794847)
11-29-2016 2:19 PM
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11-29-2016 11:42 AM


Re: Election Fraud 2016
There is also the 25th amendment...
The reason for the 25th Amendment is for when a President is incapacitated due to illness or injury. Trying to use this to reverse having elected a flaming asshole to the office would not be in keeping with the intent of the amendment as Congress and the states resolved. Impeachment or losing the next election are the only ways we will be rid of Trump in the next 8 years.
So here is a scenario. Let's say the Wisconsin recount comes up with a different result. Not very likely, but we can suppose. The Republican's and Trump's attorneys, not being as dense a group as we might like, will come up with some reason, any reason, to challenge the result in court. For all the immediacy involved a good group of smart legal vultures could tie this up in court until Dec. 19 when the electors are to meet and vote in each state. You could have an electoral challenge with two slates of electors voting and sending their separate votes to the Senate. In this case the House of Representatives would decide which slate of electors to certify. We can all figure how that would come out.
All this crap about recounts may be a good thing to base some future voting legislation upon but it will not, should not, affect the presently determined and conceded election.
Trump will be our next president which means that extra vigilance will be required on all our parts to keep that shithead and his deplorables from overstepping his "mandate".
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Message 814 of 892 (796901)
01-07-2017 9:07 AM


So it could be somebody else. And I also know things that other people don’t know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.
Asked what that information included, the president-elect said: You will find out on Tuesday or Wednesday. He did not elaborate, although in a statement released on Thursday in response to Obama’s sanctions, he said he would meet intelligence officials.


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