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Message 92 of 892 (793035)
10-19-2016 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Pressie
10-19-2016 8:31 AM


Re: Rigged
I think you botched on your "detect sarcasm" roll, Pressie.

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Message 101 of 892 (793074)
10-20-2016 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by jar
10-20-2016 8:36 AM


Re: Hardly the worst election.
And that is why you should be suspicious of any call for "States Rights"

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Message 519 of 892 (794938)
12-02-2016 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by Faith
12-01-2016 6:52 PM


Re: Election Fraud 2016 -- Michigan
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...the claim has been that she discovered five states stolen for Hillary. I can't find it on her site
Probably because it isn't there. Seriously, the front page carries articles going back as far as July, and the second page has articles from July or earlier.
Do you really think she made that claim months before the election ? Is it really too hard for you to look at the dates on the articles and work out that it would have to be on the front page ?
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

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Message 599 of 892 (795078)
12-06-2016 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 597 by Coyote
12-05-2016 11:03 PM


Re: Hmmmmm
Let us note that it is being blamed on the voting machines - which apparently require manual adjustments when a ballot is fed in more than once. If the machines were failing to scan ballots there could certainly be multiple insertions, but only a single vote recorded. The article does not indicate a discrepancy in the number of ballots versus recorded votes so we do not have any evidence of cheating at this point. It does say that this problem hurts Clinton's chance in the recount.

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Message 601 of 892 (795080)
12-06-2016 1:01 AM
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12-06-2016 12:35 AM


Re: Hmmmmm
See my post above. There is no mention of any signature count at all, let alone a suggestion that it doesn't agree with the number of ballots issued.

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Message 603 of 892 (795082)
12-06-2016 1:08 AM
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12-06-2016 1:03 AM


Re: Hmmmmm
As I sad, see my post above. Or read the article. It looks as if the problem may be nothing more than trouble getting votes to register, and the election workers failing to adjust the count. We simply can't tell from the information given that there is any indication of fraud at all.

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Message 610 of 892 (795096)
12-06-2016 8:37 AM
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12-06-2016 7:28 AM


Re: Hmmmmm
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The big problem, as I understand it, in Michigan is that there are 75,000 ballots that appear to have no selection for president
If that number is based on the machine count rather than ballots issued, then it would support my ideas about the discrepancy between the two figures in Detroit. If it is based on ballots issued, I have to wonder if many of them were due to the machines failing to register the choice.

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Message 769 of 892 (796193)
12-24-2016 2:02 PM
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12-24-2016 1:36 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
There is a difference between a lack of liars whining that they didn't get what they wanted and worrying because you have a President regarded as a potential disaster even by senior figures in his own party.

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Message 771 of 892 (796195)
12-24-2016 2:05 PM


Republicans destroying democracy in North Carolina
For some years I have been concerned that the Republican Party was going to give up on democracy. That the gerrymandering and voter suppression, and the obstructionism was only the start.
Now an analysis of North Carolina rates it as being well below the standards expected of a truly democratic nation.
North Carolina is no longer classified as a democracy

  
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Message 795 of 892 (796229)
12-26-2016 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 774 by Faith
12-24-2016 8:40 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
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Good description of exactly what we've seen from the left since they lost. Pack of liars beyond belief
Hardly. As many have pointed out the concerns over a Trump presidency are very real. Nobody knows which of his campaign promises he intends to keep, and which were lies. There is the Trump University scam. There is the enquiry into the Trump Foundation. At best Trump is a one-percenter who will happily screw people over, elected on a platform of Nationalism and xenophobia (which he may or may not intend to follow). One wonders how many of the people who compared Obama to Hitler said the same about Trump - they would have been less unjustified.
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...so bad you guys didn't even know you were going to lose you'd lied to yourselves so much about what Americans want.
What a short memory you have. The Republicans were complaining about the polls in 2008 - when the polls turned out to be correct. Your accusation can be more justly directed at your side. Not that justice is anything you care about or even understand.
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Such bad losers a bunch of you poor sad souls have been trying since November 8 to steal the election (since the efforts before that date couldn't defeat us) and still plotting, probably fro months to come. Peaceful exchange of power, ha! Only when the civilized side has to give in, and that is not your side
Which only proves that if Hialeah had won you would be ranting about the election being stolen. And Trump is hardly civilised - he was happy to encourage violence against opponents. And you, yourself, want to beat up people who dare to prove you wrong.
quote:
Hilary would have been the disaster, on top of the disaster of Obama.
Hilary would certainly not have been my choice for the Democratic candidate. Unfortunately the Republican Party has been getting more and more extreme, to the point where the base is flirting with Fascism. And I note that Obama's presidency has hardly been a disaster and that many of the problems were due to the Republicans.
We only need to look at the Affordable Care Act to see that. If a President tries to sort out a major problem and takes up a proposal from the opposing party to do so, why would they not cooperate. Why would some of them start screaming about "Death Panels" or complaining about "Socialised Medicine" when none of that is at all true ? How can anyone come to any conclusion but that the Republican Party is full of screaming partisan liars who - at best - didn't want a Democratic President t get the credit for making healthcare more available ?
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Funny how what you say about us is as usual true of you. The killers of democracy are your side.
It that were true, then why do we have facts while you have unsubstantiated accusations - mostly from sources who love to publish unsubstantiated- or even downright insane - accusations against the Democrats ? Do you really want to defend the pizzagate accusations ? Or is that evil something you prefer to ignore and suppress ?

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Message 801 of 892 (796245)
12-26-2016 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 800 by dwise1
12-26-2016 3:33 PM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
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The search for evidence has been called off when the recount was cancelled in some of the key 3 states and not allowed to even begin in others. As I understand, the federal government has started an investigation into election fraud, but how far do you realistically believe the GOP-dominated Trump Administration will allow that to proceed?
Given the reports I heard - the Trump campaign doing everything they could to prevent a recount - I can be pretty confident that the Trump administration will not be in favour of any investigation. (And I have to say that such determination in stopping the recounts is just a little suspicious to my mind)

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Message 809 of 892 (796761)
01-04-2017 7:31 AM


Trump does some good
New Republican Congress reverses ethics move after outcry
The Republican caucus, after a secret vote, decided to end the independence of the Office of Congressional Ethics.
Donald Trump tweeted against it, the Republicans held an emergency meeting and reversed the decision.

  
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Message 834 of 892 (797025)
01-10-2017 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 829 by Faith
01-09-2017 6:48 PM


Re: Evidence of Russia hacking
John McAfee is nuts. You should take anything he has said with more than a pinch of salt. Granted the report is pretty bad, but we don't know why that is (or what evidence is being kept back)
To the best of my knowledge everyone who has investigated (not just the security services) says that the Russians did it (two known groups are identified) based on the way they worked. The only people who disagree - and might actually know - are Wikileaks who might very well not want to admit being given information by the Russians.
At this stage I am inclined to accept the attribution.

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Message 837 of 892 (797030)
01-10-2017 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 835 by Faith
01-10-2017 2:47 AM


Re: Evidence of Russia hacking
McAfee IS nuts - and hasn't investigated the hack either.
He is also known to say things that don't make sense
Why quote him rather than Bruce Schneier or Brian Krebs ?
quote:
No matter that his statements made perfect sense and related to the actual evidence offered in the report. No matter at all.
That his assessments seem reasonable to you doesn't make him a reliable source. Especially when he's a determined self-publicist who doesn't have access to all the evidence.
quote:
I'm inclined to give weight to his points that it would take an incredibly stu/pid intelligence operation to leave such obvious clues to its identity.
I'm inclined to give more weight to people who have actually investigated the hack and know all about the dangers of false leads. The people who know rather more of the evidence than has been released.
Don't forget that even law enforcement can be very secretive. Prosecutions have been dropped because they won't reveal how evidence has been obtained. A recentexample

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Message 840 of 892 (797033)
01-10-2017 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 839 by vimesey
01-10-2017 5:34 AM


Re: Evidence of Russia hacking
Do you believe Crowdstrike when they say that the Russians hacked the DNC ? If not, why not ?

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