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Message 414 of 892 (794259)
11-12-2016 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by Minnemooseus
11-12-2016 6:20 PM


Re: Faith's election results message
We didn't have the option of high moral character in this election, but if you are comparing him with Hillary, she's the lowest of the low on that score.

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Message 448 of 892 (794485)
11-16-2016 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by caffeine
11-16-2016 12:57 PM


Re: History repeats ... because the lesson was not learned.
Hilary Clinton received more votes than any other Presidential candidate in the history of the United States except Obama
There is evidence that the election was rigged for Hillary at a number of locations, stealing five states, partly through three million votes by illegals, and still Trump won. Google "Bev Harris voting."

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Faith 
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Message 454 of 892 (794551)
11-17-2016 3:30 AM


Some evidence of voter fraud
I note that xongsmith wasn't lectured about giving nothing but a bare link as I did.
I agree with NN that sometimes people believe what they want to believe. Seems to me that could be said about many here.
I'd like to find better evidence for that 3 million illegals but there is so much deception of every kind discoverable on the Democrat side and so little or none on the Republican side, (there are all kinds of lies floating around about pro-Trump people attacking Hillary people, but there is not one iota of evidence for any of that, whereas there is lots of video evidence of violent attacks by the Left against Trump people) for this particular election anyway, because of all the obvious lies from the Left, I don't have a big problem accepting such statements. They also say that although that many illegals voted it's possible they didn't all vote for Hillary.
But I agree, it would be nice to have more direct evidence. I was, of course watching alternative media reports on election night, such as Infowars, where from time to time they mentioned telltale signs of voter fraud at various locations. Alex Jones believed Hillary was going to win, until the very last minute when he saw she hadn't, and he thought it would be because of voter fraud because of what Bev Harris had told him in the interview embedded below. Of course if you were watching the MSM you wouldn't have heard a peep about fraud, oh the poor sad MSM who were shocked at the legitimate results of this election because of their silly blind prejudiced certainty that Trump couldn't win. I guess they believe all the lies about how he's racist and fascist and sexist and all the rest of the PC lies, which apparently you all believe here too. Fact is there is nothing at all racist or xenophobic in anything he said.
Anyway here's some evidence from voter fraud expert Bev Harris. Mostly it's about how the votes are easy to manipulate, though there's enough info to indicate it was the Hillary side doing the rigging. I'd try to explain it myself but I don't understand it well enough to do that: It's all about assigning a fraction to each vote rather than a whole number.
It would be nice to have more direct evidence about the election itself. I'm praying for it.
1) Alex Jones interview of Beverly Harris, October 31, 2016: She explains the technology of mass voter fraud by manipulating the results from a centralized computer; says later in the interview that it appears things are already rigged for Hillary. She's not partisan herself and she's very credible.
2) This is herwebsite, Blackboxvoting.org:Lots of informationexplaining the method of manipulating votes, again not directly about this election as far as I've seen: Fraction Magic – Part 1: Votes are being counted as fractions instead of as whole numbers – BlackBoxVoting.org
Infowars page on the fraud
http://www.infowars.com/...in-the-united-states-breaking-now
OH, there's also a series of videos at YouTube by Veritas Project showing undercover interviews with Democrat riggers of elections by different means than the technology.
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Faith 
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Message 455 of 892 (794554)
11-17-2016 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Faith
11-17-2016 3:30 AM


Re: Some evidence of voter fraud
By the way, xongsmith's info has fraud against Clinton in Pennsylvania and North Carolina, both states where fraud was reported against Trump in reports I heard. Since it can't be both ways and the Dems have been behind all the KNOWN lies about this election I'm going to assume his info is also fraudulent. It's not that Republicans couldn't do such things, but there is absolutely no evidence that they did any of it in this election. And besides, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Lying scheming manipulating Radicals is used by the Left, while the Right despises such undemocratic third-world evil lying fraud and in this election the ones I've been following are on the side of LIBERTY and DEMOCRACY and HONESTY. It would be nice if some of you might eventually take the blinders off.

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Message 457 of 892 (794583)
11-17-2016 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Rrhain
11-17-2016 5:02 AM


Re: Some evidence of voter fraud, election fraud, disruption of Trump rallies etc.
As usual here, the responses are all unrelated to the information, and basically it's all character assassination. Watch Alex Jones' interview, the information isn't coming from him, it's coming from Bev Harris who is the investigator. OK so I should call it election fraud rather than voter fraud but the point is it's the votes that are manipulated from the central computer. Harris got the information from a Tennessee man, Benny Smith I think is his name, who discovered how mass fraud would be possible by assigning a fraction to each vote rather than a whole number so that all the votes for a particular candidate could be easily manipulated en masse from this central computer. I'm sure many here will understand the method better than I do if you just listen to Harris describe it. She also says her information shows it's been manipulated for Hillary and against Trump.
As for voter fraud, bussing in illegals or others, registering dead people to vote and that sort of thing, that gets revealed in the Project Veritas series.
Here is the first one in that series, which happens to be about how they infiltrated Trump rallies to provoke violence. Again the information doesn't come from the maker of the series, it comes from the Dem ooperatives themselves, it's their faces and their voices being picked up by hidden surveillance.
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Faith 
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Message 482 of 892 (794849)
11-29-2016 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Taq
11-29-2016 2:38 PM


Any old lie to make Trump look bad, right?
Wanting to carpet bomb civilians ... goes beyond "disagreeing with the left".
According to Politifact, Joe Biden misquoted Trump about carpet bombing. Trump never said anything about carpet bombing, only bombing oil fields, and specifically denied any implication of bombing civilians when that was insinuated.
Not sure where he stands on waterboarding at this point.
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Faith 
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Message 490 of 892 (794861)
11-30-2016 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by Taq
11-30-2016 10:52 AM


Re: Any old lie to make Trump look bad, right?
Obviously you've missed the news that Hillary called for punishing flag burners herself, a decade ago:
Before Donald Trump Called for Flag-Burning Jail Time, Hillary Clinton Did
So if he "takes out" civilians, impeach him already. I wish he'd restrain his rhetoric. He's not going to be able to do some of the things he might like to do. But the reason his supporters like him is that he cares about Americans whereas the Left is bent on destroying America. Everything you all say here is straight out of the Cultural Marxist agenda to kill America and Western Civilization.
And most of it has to be trumped up against Trump. You won't believe the evidence that the violence at his rallies was provoked by the left, though it's about as good evidence as anybody gets for such things; you have to have ironclad evidence that millions of illegals and dead people voted for Hillary -- well, I do too, but meanwhile I recognize genuine sincerity when I see it and you guys have to make liars out of everybody who disagrees with you for no good reason. You ignore the fact that the violent protests are the Left's work, you make up excuses to rationalize away the evidence that has been produced. You WANT to be blind to the real agenda of the Left. The hatred of Trump is manufactorues by the Leftist propaganda machine. Not that he isn't guilty of shooting his mouth off at timesm, but they blow it all out of proportion and stir people up unnecessarily. AT LEAST HE CARES ABOUT US, you know, AMERICANS, which gollyl gee, you'd think would be the first obligation of the American President. Not something we could say for Obama, that's for sure, who has been selling us down the river for his entire presidency. Or for Hillary, who is just another tool of the puppetmasters of the Left such as Soros.
I see that Percy has managedf to manufacture fascism out of the military presence at sports games that has been going on for FOUR years, the duration of OBAMA's presidency. The military presrence under fascism was called out by thew political leaders, and they marched down the streets for the purpose of striking fear into anybody who dissented, but for whatever stupid reason we've got them at football games in some kind of effort to advertize patriotism. THERE IS NOP CVOMPARISON, and besides it has nothing to do with tRUMP.
What is the matter with you people??????>??

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Faith 
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Message 507 of 892 (794911)
12-01-2016 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 504 by RAZD
12-01-2016 10:08 AM


Re: Election Fraud 2016 -- Michigan
Both Republicans and Democrats have been guilty of election fraud in various elections. What has to be proved is that there was fraud in THIS presidential election and for which candidate. So far the main clues I've seen are to fraud by the Democrats. I've seen some discussion of these claims to the effect that it will take some months to investigate these early clues. What you've done is take an irrelevant case and insinuated that it proves something about this election, which it doesn't.
I hope the avenues of fraud can be discussed and controlled or eliminated in the future. It ought to be a major discussion in both parties.

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Faith 
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Message 513 of 892 (794931)
12-01-2016 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by Modulous
12-01-2016 5:48 PM


Re: Election Fraud 2016 -- Michigan
Beverly Harris is not a right winger, says she's a Democrat but that her investigations into election fraud are nonpartisan,
BlackBoxVoting.org – Black Box Voting 2.0 — a curated nonpartisan reporting and public education site for elections.
the claim has been that she discovered five states stolen for Hillary. I can't find it on her site, which right now is mostly about recounts, but my eyes give out pretty fast on her light colored print.
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I don't know what Gregg Phillips' politics is, but he claims to have counted three million noncitizens on the rolls of 184 million registered voters. This is what has to be further checked over the next few months.
3 Million Illegal Aliens Voted in the Presidential Election - www.independentsentinel.com

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Faith 
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Message 514 of 892 (794932)
12-01-2016 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by Percy
12-01-2016 4:29 PM


Re: The Militarization of everything
The presence of the military at sporting events:
is absolutely nonthreatening: a bunch of guys in camo running around on the field. NOTHING LIKE THE GENUINE FASCIST DISPLAYS OF MILITARY IN FULL DRESS UNIFORM GOOSE-STEPPING IN FORMATION.
Again, all this occurred during Obama's second term. The Left was expecting Hillary to win, not Trump, so trying to tie the paranoid fascist interpretation this to the Right is pretty sleazy.
ALSO, for years now I've seen the PARANOID RIGHT FEARING THAT THE LEFT IS GOING TO PULL A POLICE STATE ON US ON SOME TRUMPED UP EXCUSE, THROW US INTO PRISON CAMPS ALREADY PUT IN PLACE BY FEMA AND ALL THAT STUFF. That would make more sense in the actual context, if there's any sense to be made of it at all, than all this stuff about a bunch of guys in camo running around a football field, and trying to hang the ridiculous paranoid misinterpretation on the Right looks to me like standard Leftist tactics, Machiavellian to the core, without a shred of integrity.
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Message 515 of 892 (794934)
12-01-2016 7:52 PM
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12-01-2016 4:29 PM


Re: The Militarization of everything
Consider what's going on in Europe. THAT's the trend, not deporting illegals (as if that's the same thing as sending Jews to concenttration camps anyway. WHERE IS YOUR HEAD?) In Germany it's the German citizens who are being forced out of their homes so that the Muslim refugees can move in. In Italy -- have you seen that sad story and the video? A poor old guy who runs a small hotel has been forced to give it up to the Muslim refugees. THAT is what is on the agenda for America, if Hillary got elected. Obama has already started the trend, she would push it further. We aren't quite as vulnerable as the poor Europeans who have been disarmed for years and are easy prey to police action. If somehow they still manage to steal this election we could be seeing the growth of the Leftist police state, all rationalized as necessary to stop the fascist Right, which is an invention of Leftist lying strategies like Alinsky's rules all designed to vilify the opponent by hook or by crook. Hillary would have moved to take our guns away too. Then we too would be vulnerable to the police throwing us out of our houses and bringing in aliens. Boy have they got you brainwashed. When they come to get ME or any other right winger will you stand up for US?

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Faith 
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Message 526 of 892 (794958)
12-02-2016 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by Percy
12-02-2016 3:52 PM


Re: Question
I hadn't heard about Trump's challenge to the recount, but I have been hearing here and there how the recount is just a stalling tactic to get the electoral vote put off, or something like that. Also something about how Stein met the cost of a recount but not the requirement to show the likelihood of fraud. What is the legal point he's challenging it on?
It also isn't Trump who is making the claims about fraud that I've posted about, unless perhaps he's mentioned them in some speech or other. Those are independent investigations as I understand it.

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Message 527 of 892 (794959)
12-02-2016 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Modulous
12-01-2016 10:14 PM


Re: Election Fraud 2016 -- Michigan
When Harris says "they" were "holding back" the results, isn't she talking about the mainstream media, who would of course be Democrats? Waiting for the Democrats where the votes were being counted to decide how many they needed to pad the results.
But it's OK, he's a Jesus Freak so I guess his world is gold to you.
I don't know anything about Gregg Phillips, including that he's supposedly a "Jesus Freak," and I've been frustrated in my searches for a discussion of his findings about the election beyond the tweet everybody talks about. I hope that both he and Bev Harris will eventually give us more substantial evidence for their claims. Meanwhile, as I said, I trust their initial observations as honest, while waiting for a more exact count.
I am certainly not likely to take seriously anything anyone at EvC says about a supposed "corrupt right-winger", of course.
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Message 528 of 892 (794960)
12-02-2016 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by NoNukes
12-01-2016 11:13 PM


Re: The Militarization of everything
The comparison between the Jews in Germany and the Muslim refugees here is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. The Jews were citizens for starters, not refugees beinhg considered for admission to the country. The stories about the Jews were all made up, the refugees are known to be members of a religious ideology that happens to like killing people who don't believe as they do. And nobody is calling the refugees "the source of" any problems.: You guys are going out of your way to make up nonexistent connections.
I guess nobody here keeps up with the "alternative" media. The MSM isn't interested in telling you anything about the displacement of citizens by Muslim refugees, since that would be "racist" or "Islamophobic" or politically incorrect, period. The reports on what's going on in Europe, including the Italian hotel owner, are easily googled. I got a whole page about it. There's video of an old man fighting with the police.

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Message 529 of 892 (794961)
12-02-2016 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by caffeine
12-02-2016 1:02 PM


Re: The Militarization of everything
Woohoo, what a bunch of assertions without evidence, pure leftist propaganda. Wow. If there's sany truth to any of it, you really need to supply the evidence. Meanwhile there;s a video of an old man trying to keep POLICE, yes, POLICE, out of his building.
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