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marc9000
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Message 118 of 892 (793128)
10-21-2016 12:25 PM


Now that the 3 presidential debates are done, what are the opinions here about the debate moderation? Was Wallace of Fox news more biased than...Martha Raddatz (and others from the mainstream) less biased, or about the same?

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marc9000
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Message 415 of 892 (794260)
11-12-2016 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Percy
11-12-2016 7:02 AM


Re: President Trump
In a couple months Trump will be president, and that seems a more relevant topic. Wall Street seems to like him. Will he build "the wall"? What will be his policy with Russia? With Israel?
Before 2008, the beginning of the Obama administration, small business start-ups in the U.S. far outpaced small business closures. Since 2008, the gap has been narrowing. In 2015, for the first time in decades, small business closures (failures) now outpace small business start-ups. You can read the details here;
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I think he has a better chance than any standard politician-turned-president to right that sinking ship, by getting at least some government off the backs of small businesses, back to pre-Obama levels. If he can't do that, considering our mounting national debt about to soar past $20 trillion, the wall, Russia, and Israel won't matter much IMO.
You could be surprised at some information and understanding that Trump voters have, that you liberals don't.

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Message 787 of 892 (796220)
12-25-2016 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 776 by Percy
12-25-2016 7:35 AM


Re: Feeling Post Election Trauma
Faith doesn't seem to understand that what is being mourned is not the loss of the election but the loss of rationality, discernment, and compassion at the top. Even the Republicans bemoaned this candidate. He has none of the qualities people from both sides want in a president, and many qualities most people find not only undesirable but despicable. The article describes how these feelings of people who voted against Trump are different from past lost elections, that those elections then were not accompanied by feelings of hopelessness and despair for our democracy.
Trump is a deplorable human being and he will soon be leader of the most powerful country on Earth. This should be a cause of great concern to people of all stripes everywhere throughout the world.
This message, combined with your previous messages 758 and 763, indicate to me that you're getting your news only from a few biased sources, and using it to work yourself into a nervous wreck over someone who's not going to be nearly as bad as you imagine.
Obama himself lately has addressed the subject of "fake news", maybe a topic that deserves it's own thread, but I don't think it's off topic to address it's basics here. Here's a link on what he said;
Fake news threatens democracy, Obama says
What's he's mainly addressed here is untrue stories that appear on the internet, and can sometimes be adopted as true by someone more prominent in news reporting. But "fake news" is really much more complex than that. Trust in the mainstream news media is at an all time low, it's obvious since Trump was elected. I've had ABC World News Tonight's half hour report on most evenings for years, and for the past 6 months, the first 5 or 10 minutes of the show has been little more than Hillary commercials, twisted put-downs of Trump. I think it's a form of fake news when heavily biased people arrange news programs that describe themselves as responsible news reporters.
Another prominent form of fake news is the OMMISSION of information - declining to report facts that refute the narrative touted by special interests’ or their own editorial positions.For example, does this surprise you?
Media Blackout On Obama’s Last-Minute Civil Rights Appointments | The Daily Caller
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Liberal news outlets like The New York Times, The Washington Post and CNN are keeping their readers in the dark about two aggressive appointments to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights made by President Obama with just weeks remaining in his presidency.
You should try to understand that other people might choose to access information that you don't. There's other information out there, in addition to these appointments, that strongly indicate that Obama might be putting his own little temper tantrums about Trump getting elected over what's best for the country. Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency.
but the loss of rationality, discernment, and compassion at the top.
He didn't build his business, employ thousands of people, get through countless building regulations in New York to build his tower, or do the charitable things he's done by being any of those things.
Even the Republicans bemoaned this candidate.
Not all of them. Have you noticed that most of the ones who did have been in politics for a long time? Live a nice lifestyle? Could it be that maybe they're nervous about a second look at the losing the status quo? As in their corrupt little ride?
He has none of the qualities people from both sides want in a president, and many qualities most people find not only undesirable but despicable.
Then how did he get elected? By people who have more/different information than you?
The article describes how these feelings of people who voted against Trump are different from past lost elections, that those elections then were not accompanied by feelings of hopelessness and despair for our democracy.
The article was written by someone with very biased views, there was plenty of hopelessness and despair when Reagan was elected, and the fears were similar for those on the left at the thought of a McCain or Romney presidency. The intensity is higher for Trump of course, but it's mainly because there's more jealousy of his success, and there's more embarrassment over the way the left made fools of themselves leading up to his victory, by all their laughter and jokes about his candidacy.
The U.S. has been largely built on genuine enthusiasm, ~pride in one's work~. But the downside to capitalism is that "pride in work" usually comes in second, behind MONEY. News reporting is no different than any other business. Reporting boring information, making sure it's nothing more than balanced and informative, isn't as profitable as sensationalism in news reporting. We have a first amendment, the press is "free", and the only ones to police what they do is the public at large. The voters just did that, by getting their information from a variety of sources. You should watch Fox News sometime. They're every bit as biased as the NY Times, but not more biased. There IS information there.

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