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Author Topic:   The 2016 United States Presidential Election
Rrhain
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Message 73 of 892 (792936)
10-16-2016 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by anglagard
10-15-2016 6:14 PM


Re: The Clinton Machine
anglagard writes:
quote:
Hillary Clinton is an expert at governing -- in the 1990's
Huh? When did she hold elective office in the 90s? She was on the committee to try and reform healthcare, but she was the First Lady in the 90s. She was elected to the Senate in the 00s and was Secretary of State after. From whence does this "in the 1990s" come from?
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I hope I am wrong but I think Clinton will forget any promise to the electorate once the inaugural party starts and she is drinking 1952 Dom Perignon with Kissinger and Larry Sumners.
Why? Do you honestly believe that she would put justices on the SCOTUS that would undo, say, Obergefell? Hobby Lobby? Citizens United? If the Senate (say, under the direction of Bernie Sanders who is now a Democrat) were to help put through legislation for Medicare for all, she'd veto it? She would reverse herself yet again and authorize TPP? Why do you think this?
Clinton has a 93% concordance with Sanders. What is in the 7% that you find so reprehensible?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 224 of 892 (793462)
10-29-2016 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by jar
10-29-2016 2:46 PM


Re: Local experience with early voting
jar writes:
quote:
I might be convinced if you dropped it down to the last 10 years or maybe even 20 years but cannot swallow a span of 40-50 years.
Have you forgotten the Civil Rights Era? Have you forgotten Nixon's Southern Strategy?
When you claim:
Democrats have been every bit as guilty as Republicans when they are the party in power. Liberals have been every bit as guilty as Conservatives of creating barriers to the democratic process.
You are deliberately distorting history. Yes, the Dixiecrats were a significant part of the disenfranchisement of minorities in the US.
And they all went to the Republican party.
In short:
Logical error: False equivalency.
Try again.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 456 of 892 (794555)
11-17-2016 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Faith
11-17-2016 3:30 AM


Re: Some evidence of voter fraud
Faith writes:
quote:
Alex Jones interview
Stop right there.
Alex Jones is not a source. He is lying to you. Quite literally lying to you. Whatever information you acquire from Alex Jones, you should automatically assume it is false.
quote:
She explains the technology of mass voter fraud by manipulating the results from a centralized computer
That's not voter fraud. That's election fraud.
Voter fraud is when a person votes for someone else or votes more than once.
Election fraud is interference in the election such as through voter suppression, disenfranchisement, vote buying, misinformation, destruction of ballots, or alteration of votes or vote tallies.
You'll notice that it is the Republicans who have been engaging in election fraud through such Voter ID laws, purging of voter roles, Trump's lawsuit regarding early voters in Nevada, etc., etc.
From 2000 to 2014, there have been more than a billion votes cast in the US.
And there have been only 38 instances of voter fraud.
Most of them carried out by Republicans.
And the only "foreigner" voting was a Frenchman (not someone from south of the border)...who was voting for the Republican.
quote:
OH, there's also a series of videos at YouTube by Veritas Project
Stop right there.
First, it's "Project Veritas" ("Veritas Project" is a science fiction book).
Second, Project Veritas is run by James O'Keefe, a known fraud who has been arrested and convicted for his attempts to commit felonies and pin them on others. All his attempts to "expose" things have backfired: Every single organization has been shown to be on the up-and-up and his attempts to solicit illegal activities have only shown him to be the actual person who needs to be in jail.
He is lying to you. Quite literally lying to you. Whenever he tells you something, you need to start from the position that he is not telling the truth.
He is not a source.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Posts: 6351
From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 470 of 892 (794820)
11-28-2016 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 457 by Faith
11-17-2016 12:56 PM


Re: Some evidence of voter fraud, election fraud, disruption of Trump rallies etc.
Faith responds to me:
quote:
As usual here, the responses are all unrelated to the information
Yes, and we wish you would stop. You need to pay attention to the information and stop confusing the fact that you are being contradicted with some form of personal attack.
Alex Jones is not a source. James O'Keefe is not a source. They are quite literally lying to you. Their information is wrong. Even when they try to tell you something true, it is corrupted by lies. Notice your confusion over election fraud, thinking that it was voter fraud. This is not by accident. Alex Jones is deliberately lying to you to make you think there is some sort of threat of voters "stealing" an election, and thus the only way to "protect" the election is to engage in actual fraud such as Voter ID, purging of the rolls, making you think that people are coming from other countries to vote, etc.
It is a deliberate attempt to deceive you, Faith. You need to pay attention to the information and stop confusing the fact that you are being contradicted with some form of personal attack.
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and basically it's all character assassination.
So when someone points out that O'Keefe has been jailed for his actions, that's "character assassination"? When we show you the evidence that you are being lied to, that's "character assassination"? Are you honestly claiming that when someone is deliberately lying to you, you don't want to be told because that would make the liar look bad? That it is inappropriate to point out frauds lest you think less of them?
quote:
Watch Alex Jones' interview, the information isn't coming from him, it's coming from Bev Harris who is the investigator.
And I didn't contradict her.
What I said was that you are confusing what Harris is talking about, election fraud, with what Jones wants you to think, voter fraud. They are not the same thing. Jones knows this and he is deliberately trying to make you confused about the two.
quote:
OK so I should call it election fraud rather than voter fraud
No, not "OK." This is not simply a question of the label we use to describe what is going on. They are two vastly different things. Jaywalking and murder are not the same thing and it is not merely a question of words that separates them.
The things that lead to voter fraud will have no effect upon election fraud and vice versa. If you are truly concerned about the integrity of elections, then you would be doing everything that Democrats are demanding be done: Get rid of Voter ID laws...they do nothing but suppress the vote and specifically target the young, the poor, and those who aren't white. But hey, those demographics tend to vote for the liberals, so it's not a problem, right?
So when you try to blow this off by pretending it's just a question of words, you show that you aren't actually sincere in your claims, Faith. You belie an agenda that seeks to destroy the will of the people. You show to be precisely in the Paul Weyrich camp:
This is the same Weyrich who started the "Religious Right" specifically and precisely because Bob Jones University lost its tax exempt status over its racial discrimination. You are aligning yourself with racists and white supremacists, Faith. But wait...that's "character assassination," right? How dare you be told about the company you keep lest you take a look at what they're peddling and reconsider the information you are being fed.
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but the point is it's the votes that are manipulated from the central computer.
That's election fraud, Faith. How does Voter ID stop that? How does purging the voter rolls stop that? How does voter intimidation stop that? How does Trump's lawsuit to invalidate the early voters in Nevada stop that? How does Trump's whining about recounts stop that? How does disenfranchising voters stop that?
If you care about what Harris is talking about, why are you complaining about voter fraud as if that were a thing? Again, there were over a billion votes cast between 2000 and 2014 and only 38 documented cases of voter fraud.
Most by Republicans.
But that doesn't alter an election. It is nearly impossible to alter an election through voter fraud. And yet, all your sources are pushing for tactics to combat voter fraud that do nothing but result in election fraud. And yet, here you are buying their sob story regarding a potential source of election fraud because that means you'll trust them when they tell you that voter fraud is a real problem and thus need to support those tactics.
They're trusting that you won't pay attention to the information, Faith. They're trusting that you'll claim that anybody who contradicts you is personally attacking you. They're trusting that you'll insist that anybody who calls them out is engaging in "character assassination."
You are being lied to, Faith, and you are so wrapped up in the lie that you are doing the very thing you accuse everybody else of. Your response is completely unrelated to the information but is essentially nothing but character assassination.
quote:
As for voter fraud, bussing in illegals or others, registering dead people to vote and that sort of thing, that gets revealed in the Project Veritas series.
And it's all a lie.
That is the point you are steadfastly refusing to come to terms with.
Project Veritas is a lie. Everything they put out is fraudulent. O'Keefe was convicted for his fraudulent actions for PV.
quote:
Here is the first one in that series, which happens to be about how they infiltrated Trump rallies to provoke violence.
And it didn't happen. They lied to you, Faith.
You need to pay attention to the information and stop confusing the fact that you are being contradicted with some form of personal attack.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
Member (Idle past 119 days)
Posts: 6351
From: San Diego, CA, USA
Joined: 05-03-2003


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Message 471 of 892 (794821)
11-28-2016 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by RAZD
11-17-2016 4:15 PM


Re: election fraud
RAZD writes:
quote:
reform of the democrat party
And with that, we know that you're not being serious.
What is this "Democrat Party" of which you speak? There's a "Democratic Party," but I've never heard of this "Democrat Party."
If you want to be taken seriously, you might want to consider behaving seriously.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
Member (Idle past 119 days)
Posts: 6351
From: San Diego, CA, USA
Joined: 05-03-2003


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Message 487 of 892 (794854)
11-30-2016 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 486 by NoNukes
11-30-2016 1:13 AM


Re: Some evidence of voter fraud, election fraud, disruption of Trump rallies etc.
NoNukes writes:
quote:
Somebody is claiming to know that something on the oder of two million illegal votes were cast, essentially all of which were for Hillary.
Not only that, but hopes you won't be aware of the fact that between 2000 and 2014, there were more than a billion votes cast but only 38 cases of voter fraud.
And yet somehow, in this one election, "millions" of fraudulent votes were made. What on earth was special about this one election that saw such a huge increase? With all of the Voter ID programs put in by the Republicans, how on earth did they manage to carry this out?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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