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ringo Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronestar writes:
What part of "crime of aggression" covers one vote? And what part absolves the voters who voted for the voter?
Look up "crime of aggression."
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dronestar Member Posts: 1475 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
Wow, you already read both of Mod's posts? Pretty impressive ringo.
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Taq Member Posts: 10350 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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1.61803 writes: They would of elected a monkey other than any established politician I think. Then why did they re-elect almost every incumbent Republican running for Congress? They even re-elected Blunt in Missouri whose kids are famous lobbyists, for crying out loud. He is as establishment as it gets. If there is a monster in the swamp, its Blunt. Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10350 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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dronestar writes: IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
or an atheist
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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nwr Member Posts: 6488 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined:
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As Mod seemed to accept my claim, Message 140 and Message 170, I suspect you either: never read my posts in full, are being willfully obtuse, or simply being dishonest.
No, he clearly does not accept your claims. He agree with you on the moral argument. But he disagrees on the legal argument (you mentioned war crimes, which is a legal position). I voted for Obama and against Hillary in 2008, because of her position on the war. But I never thought her a war criminal.
Modulous seems to not understand the difference. In 2008, Clinton was still defending her position on the war. In 2016, she has admitted that she was wrong. That's an important difference. Still, I agree that she is a flawed candidate. But so were her primary opponents. And the primary voters preferred Clinton. By the way, I voted for Sanders in the primary. You still have not provided any evidence that she was a war criminal. And you still have not provided any evidence that she is responsible for any civilian death in Iraq. And no, I am not being dishonest. You are making strong claims for which you provide no evidence at all. I'm not arguing that you should like Clinton. I'm not a fan myself. I'm just pointing out that you have been making strong claims with no supporting evidence. Believe what you want, but don't demand that other people share your opinions.
IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president?
There's a congressional record. Can you quote from the congression record exactly when she voted to murder the children and parents of anybody, and with the exact wording on which she voted?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Tangle Member Posts: 9616 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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81% of evangelical and born-again Christians voted Trump.
What kind of religionist votes for the devil?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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nwr Member Posts: 6488 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined:
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So her vote was wasted.
There are many votes that don't actually effect anything. Perhaps most votes are of that kind. Does it follow that they are all wasted?
What it shows is her mind-set, her readiness to "solve" problems with war instead of political negotiations.
She was the elected representative of the people of New York. The problem she was solving, was to represent her constituents. It was not a vote on war vs. negotiations. The question of war vs. negotiations was a question that the president had to answer. That was not a question on which Clinton had any input. Her vote was on whether or not to support the president's decision.
If your candidate consistently makes an initial (bad) choice counter to social progress, then they are being dragged to the correct path, not leading.
She was representing her constituents. Did her vote represent the view of her constituents at that time, or did not not? I happen to think that it did represent the view of her constituents. If I had been making that vote, I would have decided that this was a time to represent what I considered the best interest of the constituents, rather than their view. But that's always a difficult decision for a politician to make. Clinton might possibly have believed that Bush would use political negotiations, and not go to war except as a last resort. If it were me, then by that time it seemed clear to me that Bush had already made the decision and was just trying to make it sound more palatable. I was more cynical about Bush than Clinton was. I think you make too much of this vote. I was against Clinton in 2008, but not because of her vote. I was against her, because she was still defending that vote when should have been obvious by then that her vote was a mistake.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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jar Member (Idle past 139 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What would happen if Obama ran for President in 2020?
Michelle Obama?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Well we now have a Republican president and congress. I hope they can figure out how to govern because the ball in now in their court. It looks to me like they made their case plainly over the last few years that they have no interest in governing. Their plan, now that the ball is in their court, is to turn it into a wrecking ball and use it to demolish our government and our civilization. Our country and the planet are in for some seriously bad times for what looks like the rest of my life.
Obviously the Democratic pundits miscalculated how pissed off the average white blue collar American worker is the seemed to have made it to the voting booth in record numbers. There were a lot of miscalculations. I wonder how much more pissed off those people are going to be when they find out how they are going to be rewarded for their votes by the republicans?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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What would happen if Obama ran for President in 2020? Michelle Obama? Trump would have her imprisoned or assassinated. He made it plain during the campaign that either alternative for his opponent is ok with him. He is a psychopath and a narcissist and he will soon be the most powerful person on the planet. He is convinced that he can do anything he wants with no consequences. Remember, he said he could shoot someone in public and not lose any votes. He will be the last president of the United States of America.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ramoss Member (Idle past 912 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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Yes, I am sure. It was from a Lebanese massacre in 1982. It was from the The Sabra and Shatila massacre .
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6130 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
What makes you think that we will ever see 2020?
I mean that in both senses. Will anyone still be alive in 2020? Will there be an election in 2020?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6130 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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81% of evangelical and born-again Christians voted Trump. What kind of religionist votes for the devil? You just answered your own question.
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jar Member (Idle past 139 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If no one is alive in 2020 then it is a moot question however the evidence is that the US has survived many such incidents, a Civil War that was anything but civil, depressions and recessions, natural disaster, pandemics, Presidents like Reagan and the Bushs and Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson (maybe the closest comparison to il Donald), several World Wars, bank collapses, hyper inflation and stagflation.
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