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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Well since you claim it exists how about showing it. It's the age old complaint we keep hearing from conservatives, that reality has a liberal bias. If journalists dare to report facts and reality, they are obviously biased against conservatives.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If Trump were to get elected as US President, what should other nations do?
Are there preemptive actions the US Congress should take immediately (for example codifying Obama's ban on waterboarding and other tortures into law) or any treaties that need to be ratified before Trump takes office? Is there a clear statement of what constitutes High Crimes and Misdemeanors? If Trump is elected President what provisions exist to prevent using the Presidency to fund or support his personal and corporate businesses?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Diomedes writes:
That's the problem with trying to overthrow the "political establishment". When you throw out the insiders you're also throwing out the experience on how to win elections. Not only does he have many of the same character flaws as Clinton, he also brings to the table absolutely no political experience. As one commentator put it, elections are about adding, not subtracting. Unless the Republicans learn to broaden their base instead of solidifying what they already have, they're doomed to be a second-rate party (like the Canadian Conservatives).
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I'm just not going to vote.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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As one commentator put it, elections are about adding, not subtracting. Unless the Republicans learn to broaden their base instead of solidifying what they already have, they're doomed to be a second-rate party (like the Canadian Conservatives). Exactly. Ironically, even President Shit for Brains (Dubya) understood this. He actually did a lot of outreach to Hispanics during his campaign. Any Conservative that doesn't have his/her head up their ass would recognize that this a large voting block of people who generally have conservative principles. They are religious. They are family oriented. But instead, the right decides to placate to the nutjobs and focus on building a 'UUGE' wall to keep out them Mexican rapists. And it's even got so bad now, that demonizing a Gold Star Family like the Khan's is socially acceptable on the right; so long as that family are some fuzzy foreigners. I have to admit, although I don't generally like the guy or agree with him, at least Paul Ryan, who was not enamored with The Donald from the get go, has finally thrown up his hands in indignation and basically shown the middle finger to the Republican nominee. So I have to give him some props for that. I wonder what sort of conversations will occur at the RNC when this election is done. They did that 'autopsy' after Romney lost by a large margin to Obama in 2012. They supposedly came out of that with some ideas on how to improve their chances in subsequent elections. And the end result there was The Donald.Not trying to judge, but whomever was running that autopsy and making suggestions should probably be fired.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Not trying to judge, but whomever was running that autopsy and making suggestions should probably be fired.
In actuality the suggestions were pretty good. The problem is the base fought against them and never would have supported them. A party that is the home of racists, anti-Semites, white nationalists and misogynists can never make the tent bigger.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
In actuality the suggestions were pretty good. The problem is the base fought against them and never would have supported them. A party that is the home of racists, anti-Semites, white nationalists and misogynists can never make the tent bigger. But this is still due to the rhetoric that has been permeating on the right. As I mentioned, Dubya actually did effective outreach to Hispanics. And he still won (well, sort of), in 2000 and 2004. The problem is, this excessive rhetoric reached a fever pitch during the Obama administration. I think maybe actually seeing a black man in the Oval Office just put some Republicans over the edge. Idiots like Mitch McConnell, a guy who looks like what would happen if Franklin the Turtle lived to be 500 and eventually left his shell, pushed forth the notion that Obama had to be a 'one term president'. And this was before Obama was even sworn in! In the end, while the Republican base may have certain views, they are guided to those views by the establishment. And that is what happened with Trump. Their fixation was on immigrants, birtherism, and 'insiders'. And they fixated on that because they were told to fixate on that. All other considerations fell to the wayside. Including their supposed 'Christian Values'. Look at how Trump behaves; he can boast about being able to grope women and grab them by the crotch and it does NOTHING to affect his numbers with the base.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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The GOP is a fundamentalist group awash in a sea of ever changing demographics. Until they figure that out how to get along with poor brown people they are doomed imo. **and that stuff Theodoric said too.
Edited by 1.61803, : **added."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Diomedes writes: But this is still due to the rhetoric that has been permeating on the right. As I mentioned, Dubya actually did effective outreach to Hispanics. And he still won (well, sort of), in 2000 and 2004. The problem is, this excessive rhetoric reached a fever pitch during the Obama administration. I think maybe actually seeing a black man in the Oval Office just put some Republicans over the edge. Idiots like Mitch McConnell, a guy who looks like what would happen if Franklin the Turtle lived to be 500 and eventually left his shell, pushed forth the notion that Obama had to be a 'one term president'. And this was before Obama was even sworn in! In the end, while the Republican base may have certain views, they are guided to those views by the establishment. And that is what happened with Trump. Their fixation was on immigrants, birtherism, and 'insiders'. And they fixated on that because they were told to fixate on that. All other considerations fell to the wayside. Including their supposed 'Christian Values'. Look at how Trump behaves; he can boast about being able to grope women and grab them by the crotch and it does NOTHING to affect his numbers with the base.
Before Obama was even sworn in, the Republican establishment settled on a strategy where they would obstruct anything proposed by Democrats, and vilify Democrats as a means of distracting people from failed Republican policies. What's the Republican health care plan? Wait for Democrats to propose one, then be against it. That's their health care plan. The same applies to all other foreign and domestic policies. When your only two actions are obstruction and demonizing your opponent, Trump is what you get. Republicans created the environment that allowed Trump's rise to prominence, and they should be held to account. The only thing keeping them afloat is that their hair brained Tea Party members will vote with Republicans in Congress, and their control of congressional districting through state governments.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
When your only two actions are obstruction and demonizing your opponent, Trump is what you get. Republicans created the environment that allowed Trump's rise to prominence, and they should be held to account. The only thing keeping them afloat is that their hair brained Tea Party members will vote with Republicans in Congress, and their control of congressional districting through state governments. That pretty much sums it up. And let's not forget gerrymandering. Another tactic they used, especially in 2010 when the Congressional districts were re-drawn.
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
And let's not forget gerrymandering. Another tactic they used, especially in 2010 when the Congressional districts were re-drawn. In case it wasn't clear, that is what I meant by "their control of congressional districting through state governments" in the previous post.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1130 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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One of my issues with the GOP and the "conservatives" is that they've taken decent ideas to stupid extents.
My prime example is tax rates. We are currently have federal deficit spending. So what is the conservative plan? Cut taxes more. Trump took it to levels beyond stupid by advocating to cut taxes, spend more on military AND spend on infrastructure. How would he handle the payments? By not paying. Since the damn furners hold about $6 trillion that's fine. Of course the various US entities and individuals owning the remaining $13 trillion would be screwed. How am I supposed to take seriously anyone supporting this type of stupidity? What happened to "conservative" meaning preserving long term values? Now it means concreting the existing power structure into place at all cost and ignoring the future consequences. Edited by 14174dm, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
14174dm writes: How would he handle the payments? By not paying. Since the damn furners hold about $6 trillion that's fine. Of course the various US entities and individuals owning the remaining $13 trillion would be screwed. But again, that would simply be classic Trump. Bankruptcy is just smart as long as it is not his Personal bankruptcy.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Is there a clear statement of what constitutes High Crimes and Misdemeanors?
Perhaps not. But using the office of the presidency to conduct a personal vendetta against one's political opponent surely fits.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The problem is, this excessive rhetoric reached a fever pitch during the Obama administration. I think maybe actually seeing a black man in the Oval Office just put some Republicans over the edge.
It may reach an even higher pitch during a Clinton administration, with a women in the oval office.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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