Be afraid. Be very afraid.

This seems pretty silly though, to me Faith. "Oh my goodness, Lord I can't possibly condone the eating of this cake for it is clearly for a gay wedding as it says Adam and Steve not Adam and Eve." To be honest Faith in this instance I have to say that as a bible believing Christian I don't feel this way though.I make toys and sometimes genuine witches want me to make toys, they may even use the handmade wands I make for witchcraft but as far as I'm concerned I just make the toy.Should we also burn all of the cash we receive because it has been handled by sinners?What about a cake that says, "Adam and Eve" but you don't know they are fornicators? Does that mean we risk offending the Lord simply because we are too obtuse to realise that a lot of those cakes will be made for rampant fornicators? Chances are a lot of those cakes went to people guilty of pretty bad sins. Does that mean those cake makers have endorsed those sins?Or does it just mean the cake makers are guilty of baking a cake, like most sane people would infer?So for me, I just can't see how a gay marriage would adversely affect me, and to force a law "not" to be able to....isn't that basically tantamount to saying; "obey my beliefs even if you don't have my beliefs!".For me that's dangerous territory because the extreme muslims pretty much argue the same thing; "Agree with our law, OR ELSE!" (ad baculum).So on this one we probably can't agree. In the U.K, a married couple didn't want gay people staying in their hotel but that is pretty prejudiced considering all of the straight fornication they likely wouldn't have had a problem with. You can't single out gay people like that, IMHO - that isn't a loving message. The key is to treat them with the same respect as everyone else, then we can know we have truly please the Lord."let He who is without sin cast the first stone".(By the way, hello to Lam and Rrhain, I haven't heard those posters for a long old time.)

But really you're muddying-the-water by bringing in another issue. (trannies-sub-station, or whatever it's called. I don't see that though necessarily. For example, a cake is made with the motive of creating a tasty cake for someone to enjoy eating. That is the motive of someone that makes a cake, so if I was a Christian I would say to myself and God before starting to sell cakes, "my motive is to make cakes, what they use them for is what they use them for, my only part is making the cake, just as a person that makes guns isn't part of murder, nor am I part of a gay wedding."If a cake says "Adam and Steve" on it, personally I would see no reason to make that any of my business. If that cake is used for a gay wedding, perhaps if I am required to take part in the wedding that may be a different matter but what people do with that cake is really their own motive, not mine.I call it the contamination-fallacy. For me a tool, or a cake or whatever the object, the object itself is just an object. The cake itself is just a cake like any other cake, if it says Adam and Steve to my mind that is the arrangement of letters in icing, on a cake, as usual. The "T" used for Steve is the usual "T" I would make on a cake. From my perspective, my only issue is that I would have to do the lettering, and my motive is to put lettering on a cake.I suppose I could write a note with the cake saying, "as a Christian I dissaprove of the use of this cake for gay means." But let's face it, the recipients would just say to that, "who gives a shi*" and then bin the note. Nobody cares if a Christian made the cake, or an alien from Mars, they just want to eat the cake. Cake, cake, cake - would Jesus forbid the eating of a cake? Did Jesus reject sinners that came to Him?Remember the pharisees accusing him of being a glutton, someone who approves of sinners by being in their company? In my opinion, I just don't see Jesus withholding the cake, Faith. ..and if I can't see Him doing it, then to my mind I can't do it or I have to be cautious if I am stepping over the line and judging people. It is not relevant what Christians think, it is relevant to me, what Christ thinks. I just don't think it would have been His style to withhold the cake. The Christian nowaday pharisees would perhaps accuse Him and say, "how can you do this Jesus?" like they did when He walked the earth.Think about it - He never did what people expected Him to do.

Yeah I understand your point Percy. It's one that's on my mind always with these kind of debates because as you say where is the line drawn? The problem will always be forcing one's beliefs onto another person and I do see some inconsistency in some examples in the media, with well-meaning Christians that essentially have invented commands and ideas that just don't seem to stem from the bible. "I must do action X for Jesus"But action X is INVENTION. They INVENT action X then tell themselves it's what God wants them to do.