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dronestar
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Message 23 of 31 (796411)
12-29-2016 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by RAZD
12-28-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Let's start with the basics.
hi RAZD,
Good posts.
Using the word conspiracy in this thread is aggravating. I had the same disagreement with Straggler many years ago. Businesses do specific things to make money. This IS what corporations do, it's not a conspiracy."
Also, people in power want to stay in power or gain more power. There's no conspiracy in this either. Who doesn't know this? Is it considered a 'conspiracy' for humans to breath air?
And, if I may add to your list, here's info from my two previous posts in May, 2009. I updated them slightly, but think the info they contain is still relative:
From my Message 114:
quote:
ELECTION FIASCO
ELECTION FRAUD/SUPPRESSION. Surely you heard about American "irregularities" such as unclear butterfly ballots, dangling chads, insufficient voting booths for democratic precincts, proprietary programmed electronic voting machines with no papertrail, pushpull polls, police intimidation at the voting booths, and the purging of thousands of legal names that were illegally put on a convict-no-right-to-vote list, etc. As the supposed democracy-beacon to the world, America's voting procedures is in actuality like a banana republic. The dirty tricks of the two major parties is completely unethical and often illegal.
SYSTEMATIC VOTER DISENFRANCHISING. About HALF of all American eligible voters don’t vote. They are convinced no matter what they do, nothing will matter. Individually, perhaps they are right. After 9/11, the Bush administration urged the population to go about their business and continue to shop. Big daddy Bush and his administration will take care of the bad boogey men. Best not to look or care at what Bush will be doing to keep your family safe. Afterall, government business should not concern the population, should it?
MOST IMPORTANTLY, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES ARE A SCAM . . .
The presidential debates not only exclude legitimate third-party candidates, but are structured in a way to inhibit meaningful engagement between the candidates over the major issues of the presidential race.
the debates are not publicly-funded events. Like the Olympics, they are sponsored by MAJOR CORPORATIONS
They are sponsored by MAJOR CORPORATIONS! The bi-partisan committee, The Commission on Presidential Debates, Commission on Presidential Debates decides how long, where, how many, what questions will be asked, what questions will NOT be asked, and whether or not to exclude other candidates based on made-up criteria. It reduces the election process to a TV game show. It's a complete sham. And just one more way big-business, corporate media, and the government can successfully control voter's decisions.
Eureka Street
Commission on Presidential Debates - Wikipedia
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From my Message 113. General Electric and Westinghouse makes war components. Gee, how did you think their news shows slanted the news about the middle east conflicts? Again, maximizing gross profits is not a conspiracy.
The post below is eight years old, so some of it is dated. Some businesses have been sold/bought, but the point should be clear, just a handful of corporations control 90% of everything Americans see, hear, and consider important. Democracy cannot be supported by such limited array of biased information. It partly explains the recent Trump victory. And it's not entirely the fault of amerikans that they are very ignorant. Nobody can corroborate 100% of everything they read/see/hear? Especially those who are hurting economically, working three jobs, while raising a family. It would be easy for a rural voter to just accept the simplistic jingoism of "Make Amerika Great again."
There’s a more updated list here (These 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America) showing only six corporations in 2012 owning 90% of media in america (I would like to post the informational graphics but it is too long for the forum. Maybe one of the admins can assist?).
quote:
CORPORATE MEDIA in 2009
GENERAL ELECTRIC owns NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
WESTINGHOUSE owns CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
DISNEY owns ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America, ESPN, Lifetime Television, others
TIME-WARNER TBS owns America Online (AOL), CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network.
NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS owns Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and NEWS Broadcasting
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC? : LA IMC
Lastly, maybe I missed it, but voting day on Tuesdays is another suppression tactic.
I wish the average amerikan would consider ALL these tactics, then ask themselves why the people in power, the 1%ers, design it this way.

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dronestar
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Message 27 of 31 (796482)
12-30-2016 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Modulous
12-29-2016 8:02 PM


Re: conspire
Mod writes:
It's not the general, it's the specific.
Mod writes:
It's almost as if they are working together, behind closed doors, to develop tactics to inhibit the average American from such considerations....almost like they were conspiring.
Hi Mod,
Hmmm, . . . I don’t know. Maybe you are being overly pendantic? Or maybe I am misunderstanding.
I can agree with you that the amerikan public may not know about specifics, like blacks were (are) to be considered 3/5 a person, or the quantity, ten million native americans have been annihilated, but do you really believe that amerikans have not gotten the general gist that the elites who are in charge rig the system for themselves?
The doors, they may be closed doors, but are you really arguing that they are absolutely opaque? That after two hundred years of systematic designs of oppression, you are arguing that it would be understandable that amerikans haven't figured this stuff out?
Consider amerika’s founding fathers (please). James Madison said that government should "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." They passed laws that prevented woman, minorities, and the landless from voting. These laws were kind of public for a long time. Not very secretive. How does knowing the specifics make a difference? Please be, . . . errrm, . . . specific.
Mod writes:
Are they hatching plans with one another to avoid legal ramifications of criminal or quasi-criminal acts? Even if we know they are 'up to something dodgy'
Slavery is just a little bit ‘dodgy’? Native american annihilation is just a little bit ‘dodgy’?
You are arguing americans don’t know about slavery? You are arguing americans don’t know about the slaughter of native americans?
Things have been in plain site, for a very very long time. I should think it shouldn't take a huge leap of imagination to believe amerika could do something a little less evil, like vote-rigging . . .
There has been a economic class war since america was founded. Not really a top secret encrypted code. I recently read the top 100 CEOs of american business have as much wealth as the bottom 41% of americans. This is a secret?
I just posted above about only a handful of american CORPORATE media have total control of information in the US. This is a secret?
I believe election-rigging is as amerikan as apple pie. Both Reps/Dems sides do it, and the voters literally support it.
Mod, can you explain what difference general versus specifics make?
Edited by dronestar, : clarity

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dronestar
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Message 29 of 31 (796496)
12-30-2016 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Modulous
12-30-2016 1:27 PM


Re: conspire
Mod writes:
conspiracy
kənˈspɪrəsi/
noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Mod writes:
Surely we can understand dronester's meaning and not worry about the awkwardness of language and making our lives more difficult by insisting on pedantry rather than trying to understand one another.
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Mod writes:
The conspiracies would be the specific plans, not the general effect.
I already stated, "I can agree with you that the amerikan public may not know about specifics."
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Drone writes:
Mod, can you explain what difference general versus specifics make?
Mod writes:
Murder is killing someone. Murder is general. Sometimes more than one person plans to kill someone. A specific plan between two or more people to kill someone would be a conspiracy to commit murder.
( Okay, my fault, I should have been more specific with my question)
It seems you're arguing a difference with the same results, eh? The result for both of your examples above is a person is murdered, right?
So let me re-ask: Mod, can you explain the different results between general effects versus specific plans regarding election rigging?
Or is the result for both the same as your example above, . . . absolutely the same?

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