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14174dm
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Message 188 of 4573 (797756)
01-26-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by vimesey
01-26-2017 8:32 AM


Re: Investigations
Remember this is the President of Alternative Facts.

I would be surprised if any investigation occurs. Facts are inconvenient to a salesman. Remember he's a developer that turn politician, the sale is all that counts.


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14174dm
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Message 197 of 4573 (797788)
01-27-2017 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by Faith
01-27-2017 5:54 AM


Re: And 180 degrees to the right...
quote:
Is he lying about the size of the inauguration crowd?

You do realize that if he would just let it go, no one would care about the numbers. So he thinks the best use of his time and attention is arguing about crowd size? We have a massive federal budget deficit, he still has no plan to replace ACA, Syria & the Middle East are a huge mess, we have underemployment and a skills gap, etc.

How is this making America great? Move on and get something useful done.


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14174dm
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Message 664 of 4573 (803286)
03-28-2017 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 653 by marc9000
03-27-2017 7:59 PM


Re: Reality
Rrhain: It's a bit like the way both McCain and Trump claimed that they had these wonderful plans that would solve our problems...but no, they aren't going to tell us what they are now. You'll have to wait until they get elected.
Um...if it is such a wonderful plan, spit it out! Of course, it turns out that it was all just hype, but that's the Republicans for you.

Why should they make anything public before they have to? It only would give the Democrats more time and ability to block it.

Are you kidding?

The whole point of a campaign is to inform the VOTERS what you plan to do if you are elected. If Trump and the Republicans had been HONEST and admitted that they had NO IDEA of what they were going to do, they would not have been elected. They WASTED seven years when they could have developed a complete plan with full agreement of the party. They should have shown up on the first day of Congress and voted on the bill they had written over the last seven years.

I think the reason they never did was, first, they are too centered on sound bite electioneering to accomplish anything and, second, it is unlikely that they would be able to come up with a bill that would satisfy everyone. They merely did the bare minimum to get campaign money.

God help us with their plans for tax reform (deficit explosion) and the military budget (billions to the military contractors).


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14174dm
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Message 756 of 4573 (804872)
04-13-2017 8:01 PM


how can he be so clueless?
From a www.vox.com on the Wall Street Journal interview (behind pay wall).
http://www.vox.com/...279654/trump-north-korea-xi-10-minutes

“After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” the president told the Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. ... But it’s not what you would think.”

Even I knew that China is afraid of a collapsing North Korea with hordes of malnourished, under-educated Koreans flooding across their land border. That China and the Il-sung family have conflict of the nature of socialism/communism.

How can he go into such an important meeting so ignorant? That he showed his ignorance to his rival is appalling. Did he go into real estate deals so badly informed?


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14174dm
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Message 809 of 4573 (808824)
05-13-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by Chiroptera
05-13-2017 10:32 AM


Re: ...about protecting our national fantasy....
WV coal jobs have been disappearing due to factors other than regulation.

Machination is the biggest. Once upon a time, coal was dug by hand with picks and pry bars. Loaded into carts by hand to be hauled to the surface by trains. Hundreds employed per mine

Now long wall mining rips tons of coal per hour by giant router, dumps the coal on a high speed conveyor belt. Tens employed per mine.

Exhaustion of the economically accessed coal is another big factor. Thick, shallow seams are gone. What's left is deeper (more expensive) and thinner seams.

Loss of market also factors in with China pushing to reduce pollution and source more locally.

I wonder how much the debt loads on the corporations are a factor. If the CEOs bought mines at inflated prices assuming China would buy everything and US demand would only go up, any drop in price would force mines to close because they couldn't cover the debt load. Debt may be the true killer of coal jobs.

Meanwhile workers with skills that don't transfer well to other jobs are trapped in very rural areas. In a culture that emphasizes family & local tradition, leaving is difficult. If they have financial struggles, how can they afford to move to find new work?


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14174dm
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Message 1084 of 4573 (816873)
08-12-2017 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1024 by marc9000
08-06-2017 4:38 PM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
yeah I'm behind the pile of responses but I can't resist.

02. 59 missiles dropped in Syria
And accomplished what? What is the follow up? Or has Trump's attention span expired?

04. Illegal immigration is now down 70% (the lowest is 17 years)
Results of long term trend with stable illegal population dating back to 2009
http://www.pewhispanic.org/...grants-holds-steady-since-2009

08. Bids for border wall are well underway.
Promised repeatedly to be paid for by Mexico. Anything done on that money? No because Trump knew it was a lie and simply pandered to the ignorant base. Wall is a waste of money when enforcement of visa departures would capture at least as many illegals. Enforcement of employment and financial rules would also be more effective but that is work so politicians won't do it.

21. Travel ban reinstated
Wait - I thought the whole point of the travel ban issued in JANUARY was to allow for review of procedures and enhanced investigation of travelers, refugees, etc. The review was supposed to take 120 days. So now that were way past the 120 days, what has the review shown? Why do we need the ban? Because the review was a sham and was never going to change procedures. It's all about pandering to the base without accomplishing anything.

41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs.
42. Encouraged country to once again 'Buy American and Hire American!
This from the man whose businesses are actively working to get work visas instead of hiring locally. Posted a small ad for two days in local paper looking for workers. Maybe he just needs to pay a decent wage.


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14174dm
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Message 1087 of 4573 (816922)
08-13-2017 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by NoNukes
08-13-2017 1:27 AM


Re: Trump's accomplishments
00. Inspired the advancement of the Doomsday Clock to the latest time setting in the last 64 years. 2 and 1/2 minutes until midnight.

I don't think Trump has thought out where he goes with this war of words. Kim Jung Un is just going to keep bad mouthing Trump and testing missiles & nukes. Kim will keep getting closer & closer to war but not quite cross the line.

Trump is going to look weak unless he can actually do something rather than just rant.


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14174dm
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Message 2731 of 4573 (847742)
01-25-2019 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2730 by dwise1
01-25-2019 7:53 PM


Re: Shutdown Ended! ... At Least for Three Weeks
In a world where government functions have been mostly privatized, what will happen to their employees during a future shutdown?

In my limited experience with government contracting which others are likely to disagree with, the contract period is funded at the time of the notice to proceed.

So if the contract goes into effect on January 1 and is for 1 year, the work is fully funded for that year regardless of what happens on October 1 (start of federal fiscal year). But if the shut down hits like this year and the contract doesn't specifically cover shutdowns, the contractor may not get the January 1 renewal and won't be paid for anything between January 1 and when the contract is renewed.

One option, if a shut down is foreseen, is to process the renewal way ahead but the money available to pay that contract is likely to be a problem. Usually the agency has to have available money left over from somewhere in the budget.

The contractor might take the losses to keep future contracts or may just stop work until the contract is renewed. For something like a prison, I would hope they planned ahead and the contract would automatically renew with some kind of guarantee of payment when the budget is passed.


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14174dm
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Message 2732 of 4573 (847743)
01-25-2019 10:52 PM


Why stay in federal service
I think we are going to be suffering for this shutdown for a long time for a reason I haven't seen mentioned.

Exodus of workers

Since a major reason for working a government job is the security (why I work at a local agency after working private sector).

Now that the shutdown has lasted so long, I expect an exodus of federal workers.

a. Security is gone
b. Chief executive, political appointees, and some members of Congress denigrate the integrity and value of workers
c. Political correctness is more important than scientific process

Those most likely to go are
1. Young as least likely to have the cash cushion to survive a shutdown and without the silver handcuffs of pension & 401k vesting or much vacation accrual
2. Tech skills in demand in private sector or more stable (prosperous) states & localities
3. Management skills in demand in private sector or more stable (prosperous) states & localities

Staying
a. Those near retirement
b. Limited skilled that can't find other jobs
c. Those in remote areas with limited options without moving

So why should we care
1. Skills and institutional knowledge lost
2. Manpower needs may force private sector contracting

I have worked federal service, private consulting, local agency. For work that is ongoing and doesn't need skills in very short supply, contracting out work is usually more expensive than inhouse government work. Contracting costs, oversight costs, profit and more generous salaries & benefits add up to more than the inhouse cost.


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14174dm
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Message 3445 of 4573 (864475)
10-11-2019 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 3429 by ICANT
10-11-2019 12:36 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
He fights for the principals we believe in that are guaranteed by our Constitution.

He absolutely abhors the principles of the America I grew up in. He only thinks of himself and his ego (crowd size obsession for example). He knowingly lies and makes promises he cannot keep or refuses to keep the ones he made. Remember:
He campaign on having a health care plan that covered more people with better coverage at less cost than Obamacare?
He would totally eliminate the federal debt in eight years?
Mexico would pay for the border wall?
His tax cut would go to the middle class & not the wealthy?

He is pro life.

NO - he is anti-abortion because his base is. He is trying to slash health care and support for the poor. His rhetoric is inflammatory at a time when right-wing terrorism and mass killings are growing in the US. He wants to shove more illegal immigrants into concentration camps with minimal facilities for health & safety. He wants to ship them back to unstable countries while slashing funding for stabilizing those countries.

We have the best economy that has existed in my 80 years on earth.

No we don't. The growth in jobs is focused on low wage jobs without benefits. The annual deficit is over a TRILLION PER YEAR with no end in sight. The infrastructure is falling apart and he has done NOTHING.

He is building a wall on our southern border and Mexico is paying a hefty price for part of that wall..

He promised that Mexico would fund the wall construction, not the US. He is building a wall by stripping funding from other needed projects. He had two years of Republican control of House & Senate. If he was a true leader and actually concerned with the wall before the 2018 mid term election beating, he would have gotten funding then.

He has said my Medicare is going to stay safe, not destroyed.
He has said my Social Security that I paid into is going to stay safe.

With TRILLION dollar deficits and skyrocketing total debt on top of lack of investment in infrastructure, education, and research, our economy will stagger along with massive cuts to both Medicare and Social Security. At 80 years old, you probably won't see it. I'm 55 and will. My son is 21 and has a limited future unless we change course.


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14174dm
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Message 3960 of 4573 (876677)
05-25-2020 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 3953 by marc9000
05-24-2020 8:16 PM


Re: Maybe a little planning is called for?
As someone who reads regularly but posts rarely, I'll put my two cents in.

You would think I would be Republican. Middle aged middle class white in rather conservative area.

Does the party "support the general welfare" as the Constitution calls for?

What pushes me from the Republicans is the hypocrisy of those running the party. The federal and to some extent the states and localities are run for the benefit of those with money and power (or access).

For example, all those tax reductions from Reagan to Trump increased the wealth of the upper incomes (as percent of wealth & income) but are forcing cuts in programs that benefit the middle & lower incomes.

Remember Trump had his tax cut & then said we couldn't afford to give federal workers a cost of living increase? But we could afford to reduce taxes on those most benefiting from our economy. The Republicans act as if workers don't produce anything of benefit, that only the upper incomes are valuable to our economy.

I live in Cincinnati. The Brent Spence bridge across the Ohio River carries two Interstate highways connecting the north with the south. For over 15 years (that I've lived here) the bridge has been too small and everyone knows it. But there has not been money to replace it. When I commute to the office, every afternoon, on good days, the backup to cross was about a mile. So the commuting workers and the truck drivers are sitting, wasting time & gas.
Instead of Trump's trillion dollar infrastructure program that would benefit everyone, we got a tax cut that gives us an eternal half trillion a year increase in the deficit.

Corporations are allowed to donate huge funds to Super PACS with just the approval of the CEO and board, not the stock holders. The Republicans want to force the unions to have member votes for every donation. Why can't stockholders vote on the donations? I definitely would vote my shares for long term growth in our nation rather than short term profit to a few.

Republicans are anti-abortion but call it pro-life. Then the party wants to kill Obama-care which helps people afford the health care pregnancy, birth, and child raising requires. Push abstinence only education - what are married but low income people supposed to do, just have children they are not ready for? If they truly care about people, they would work on WHY these women feel that abortion is the best option.

Gerrymandering

Make voting harder to supposedly stamp out the microscopic number of fraudulent votes.

Separating children from parents at the borders. Then having NO plans on how to track and reunite families.

Gutting long term science like the CDC.

Calling for investigations of Obama & Clinton but giving Trump a free pass on unethical behavior. So how much money are we paying Trump's clubs so he can golf?

I am not jealous or getting even. I have been doing well but I see the inequities of our current system.

Frankly I don't vote for the Democrats. I vote against the Republicans as the greater evil.


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14174dm
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Message 4088 of 4573 (878241)
06-27-2020 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 4085 by Trump won
06-27-2020 4:46 PM


NOT pro life
Doing his best to kill ACA with NOTHING to replace or help people afford health care. Even though millions have lost both employer health insurance and most of their income
Calling for shooting people exercising 1st amendment rights. Rubber bullets will kill.
Cutting federal programs to investigate possible pandemics
Cutting federal food stamps
Imprisoning immigrant children in prisons with poor sanitation in time of pandemic
Separating families with absolutely no plan on how to reunite children with parents
Employed illegal immigrants for years
Actively fighting the guidelines to that will cut infection rates
Pushing and using strong drugs without any research
Cutting regulations to control pollution that damages our health

That’s just a couple minutes thought


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