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Chiroptera
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Message 770 of 4573 (807373)
05-02-2017 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by PaulK
05-02-2017 3:25 PM


And so it shall always be.
Yes, it's an archaic system when they're in charge. But it's "checks and balances" when the other side is in power.

It's called "a constitutional republic" when the courts strike down laws they don't like. It's "judicial activism" when the laws they do like are struck down.

They don't really have any idea what the words they use mean. It all just means "stuff I like" vs "stuff I don't like."


Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. – Billy Bragg

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Message 791 of 4573 (808497)
05-11-2017 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by NoNukes
05-09-2017 7:04 PM


Re: Trump fires Comey!!!
Maybe people should start yelling, "LOCK HIM UP!" at Trump rallies.

Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. – Billy Bragg

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Chiroptera
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Message 798 of 4573 (808700)
05-12-2017 9:42 AM


We all agree!
Trump speaking about Comey, from the New York Times (bolding is mine):

“And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story,’” Mr. Trump told Lester Holt of NBC News. “It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.”

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.


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Message 808 of 4573 (808817)
05-13-2017 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 806 by Phat
05-13-2017 8:03 AM


...about protecting our national fantasy....
Paul Krugman recently wrote a column in the New York Times saying basically the same thing about "coal jobs." Krugman points out that not very many West Virginians have jobs in the coal industry any more and the vast majority of jobs that have disappeared over the years aren't coming back.

An industry that does employ a lot of West Virginians is health care and related services.

Yet West Virginia went for Trump in a big way.

Paul Krugman writes:

“Coal country” residents weren’t voting to preserve what they have, or had until recently; they were voting on behalf of a story their region tells about itself, a story that hasn’t been true for a generation or more.


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Chiroptera
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Message 812 of 4573 (809053)
05-15-2017 8:48 PM


Trump shares classified intel with Russians?
The Guardian reports that Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russians at that meeting last week.

"The report said that while Trump did not describe the specific source used to gather the intelligence, he provided highly classified details, apparently connected to an Isis plot related to the use of laptops on board passenger aircraft."

Without more details, it's difficult to know how serious a problem Trump may have created, so I agree with Senator McCain: "Senior Republican senator John McCain told CNN that 'if it's true, it’s obviously disturbing.' But he cautioned: 'Let's wait and see what this was all about first.'"

But I wonder: what do the Trumpistas think about this? This seems to be a bit more serious than Clinton's emails. Are they now going to start screaming, "LOCK HIM UP!"?


Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. – Billy Bragg

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Message 817 of 4573 (809084)
05-16-2017 8:58 AM
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05-15-2017 9:28 PM


Re: Trump shares classified intel with Russians?
He's the president so for HIM there is no such thing as "highly classified intelligence."

He's Trump so for him there's no such thing as intelligence.


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Message 818 of 4573 (809085)
05-16-2017 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 814 by Huntard
05-16-2017 5:09 AM


Re: Trump shares classified intel with Russians?
Well, when the President does it, that means it is not illegal.

Same NYT article Percy linked to:

Mr. Trump’s disclosure does not appear to have been illegal — the president has the power to declassify almost anything.

'Course, that's "the power to declassify almost anything," not "blurt out anything you want to whoever you want when you feel like showing off." I would imagine that declassifying something requires a process; at a minimum, drawing up a legal document, signing it, and filing it with the appropriate agency. Something that requires a little bit of time and thought, giving the appropriate people a chance to weigh in on it.

But Trump isn't a Democrat and his name isn't Clinton, so I suppose it's all good.


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Chiroptera
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Message 822 of 4573 (809173)
05-16-2017 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by ringo
05-16-2017 11:59 AM


Re: When does all the winning begin?
And the American electorate chanted, "Good answer! Good answer!"

Well, only if the American electorate can be characterized by how less than even a plurality voted.

Added by edit: Nonetheless, good point. I might steal this.

Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.


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Chiroptera
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Message 823 of 4573 (809175)
05-16-2017 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 821 by NoNukes
05-16-2017 4:17 PM


Re: When does all the winning begin?
Maybe a bigger snafu than I was thinking. Apparently, the intelligence at issue is something that one of our allies shared with us. The info was not ours to share.

Yeah, that's what makes this so serious. According to the news, this intel came from an important ally which didn't want us to share it; we hadn't even shared this info with our other, real allies.

Reports say that Trump may have given the Russians enough information to let them know who this source is and an estimate of their intelligence gathering activities.

There's the possibility that it will be more difficult for our intelligences services to get cooperation from other countries' intelligence services.

When I first read this, I just thought this would be a funny tweak against the "Lock her up" nuts. But this may actually be a very, very serious issue.


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Chiroptera
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Message 826 of 4573 (809229)
05-17-2017 9:49 AM


What Republicans say: then and now
From this morning's New York Times about Trump 's intelligence gaffe:

In fact, many Republicans strenuously objected last year when the Obama administration proposed sharing limited intelligence about Syria with Russia.

One of the Republicans was Mike Pompeo, the former congressman from Kansas who now runs the C.I.A. In an appearance last year on a podcast hosted by Frank Gaffney, a former Reagan administration official now best known for his anti-Muslim views, Mr. Pompeo said sharing intelligence with the Russians was a “dumb idea.”

For those who want to keep score: which Republicans keep to a consistent message, and which ones will start the "yabbuts"?


Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. – Billy Bragg

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Message 856 of 4573 (809645)
05-19-2017 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 853 by jar
05-19-2017 1:09 PM


Re: Trump claims that it's a Witch Hunt.
Trump claims that it's a Witch Hunt.

He also doesn't know what a "witch hunt" is. A witch hunt refers to a paranoid fear of hidden enemies that becomes so overwhelming that ordinary people (or low level employees) are accused and punished with no real evidence. Think of the Red Scare during the McCarthy period. Or the actual 17th century Salem witch trials.

In this case, the people being accused of potential wrong doing are high level people that have actually met with and have done business with Russians or their agents during the campaign and after the election. Even if one believes the charges are groundless, "witch hunt" really isn't the proper phrase for this.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Clarity.


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Chiroptera
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Message 860 of 4573 (809734)
05-20-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 858 by Dr Adequate
05-20-2017 12:48 PM


The first thing I though when I saw the headlines that Malanie and Ivanka weren't wearing headscarves was, "Good for them!"

But the about-face is pretty funny, too.

Any "yabbuts"?


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Message 902 of 4573 (813462)
06-27-2017 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by 1.61803
06-27-2017 3:37 PM


I believe ol' Newty boy is seeking some presidential scraps from the presidential table.

You mean like appointing his wife ambassador to the Vatican?


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Chiroptera
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Message 918 of 4573 (814630)
07-11-2017 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 917 by Diomedes
07-11-2017 9:35 AM


Re: Donald Trump jr met the Russians
And apparently, there might be emails that could be quite damning:

That would be...ironic.


Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. – Stephen Marche

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Message 943 of 4573 (815197)
07-17-2017 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 940 by JonF
07-16-2017 4:22 PM


On ABC’s This Week, the longtime Obamacare critic was pressed by Jon Karl about a provision in the bill pushed by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), which would allow insurance companies to offer sub-standard plans.

That's what struck me about this provision: People will be able to choose (and remember, under free market libertarianism not being able to afford something is the same thing as making a choice) to essentially go without insurance...as long as the pay a fee to a private corporation.


Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. – Stephen Marche

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