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Message 86 of 4573 (797072)
01-10-2017 9:50 PM
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01-07-2017 9:41 AM


Re: How the Wall will be a success
While the Trump Wall is a truly stupid idea when considered for controlling immigration it certainly is a brilliant idea when considered as yet another way to get all the utterly ignorant US citizens to move money from their pockets into the pockets of a select few rich folk. Fortunately the US citizenry is so willfully ignorant that many will applaud getting raped yet again.
Here's a bit of news regarding that wall:
quote:
Tribal leadership of Tohono O’odham Nation in southern Arizona said they won’t support a border wall project on their land. Part of their reservation extends into Mexico and covers 75 miles of the international border.
The tribe’s chairman and vice chair said the plan was always to try to work with whoever holds the office of the United States President. But, they added, it’s still too early to tell exactly how Donald Trump’s administration will impact the tribe.
Vice Chairman Verlon Jose explained tribal members have traversed their ancestral land since time immemorial, and a wall of any sort would not be supported by the community.
Over my dead body will a wall be built, Jose said, describing some community members’ sentiments. I don’t wish to die but I do wish to work together with people so we can truly protect the homeland of this place they call the United States of America. Not only for our people but for the American people.
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Message 87 of 4573 (797073)
01-10-2017 10:01 PM
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01-10-2017 8:41 PM


Re: Russia May Have Collected Embarrassing and Prurient Information About Trump
I want to stress that the information is unconfirmed at this time.
See also
quote:
SNOPES: Memos leaked to the media claiming that Trump was blackmailed by Russian operatives are not verified.
While the news was being reported as "breaking," the information had actually been explored in depth in a 31 October 2016 article by Mother Jones. Unlike Mother Jones, however, on 10 January 2016, Buzzfeed published the document in full:
A dossier making explosive but unverified allegations that the Russian government has been cultivating, supporting and assisting President-elect Donald Trump for years and gained compromising information about him has been circulating among elected officials, intelligence agents, and journalists for weeks.
The dossier, which is a collection of memos written over a period of months, includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives, and graphic claims of sexual acts documented by the Russians. CNN reported Tuesday that a two-page synopsis of the report was given to President Barack Obama and Trump.
Now BuzzFeed News is publishing the full document so that Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government.
The 36-page document's most discussed claim may be that the Russian government possesses a video of Trump engaging in an orgy with prostitutes who perform a "golden shower," or urinate on each other in an effort to defile a bed once slept on by the Obamas because (according to the report) Trump "hated" them.
It also claims that the regime of Russian president Vladimir Putin has been actively "cultivating, assisting and supporting" Trump for five years:
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Message 103 of 4573 (797100)
01-11-2017 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Coyote
01-11-2017 10:43 AM


Snopes Again
Reportedly folks at 4chan concocted a story about Trump in Russia and fed it to buzzfeed ...
Snopes: Memos leaked to the media claiming that Trump was blackmailed by Russian operatives are not verified. still says "unproven" and lists the following sources:
quote:
Taylor, Colin. "US Intelligence Just Confirmed Trump Is Being Actively Blackmailed By Russia."
Occupy Democrats. 10 January 2017.
Bensinger, Ken, et al. "These Reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia."
Buzzfeed. 10 January 2017.
Corn, David. "A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump."
Mother Jones. 31 October 2016.
Rosenberg, Matthew, and Goldman, Adam. "Trump Received Unsubstantiated Report That Russia Had Damaging Information About Him."
New York Times. 10 January 2017.
Note that the Buzzfeed article comes months after the Mother Jones report.
quote:
While the news was being reported as "breaking," the information had actually been explored in depth in a 31 October 2016 article by Mother Jones. Unlike Mother Jones, however, Buzzfeed opted to publish the underlying document in full even though its provenance and truthfulness was unverified.
David Corn, the Mother Jones reporter who broke the story months ago, wrote on Twitter that he chose not to publish the memos because he could not confirm the allegations made within them.
Also see What is Watersportsgate? Five things we know - and five we don't - about Donald Trump's prostitute scandal
quote:
What we know
1. President Obama and Trump have been briefed on the dossier
2. The dossier has been around for some time
3. It is unclear if the FBI is investigating the claims
4. American security agencies ARE investigating Russian hacking of the election
5. Donald Trump denies the claims
What we don't know
1. Have any of the facts been checked?
None of the claims in the Trump dossier have been established as true at this point.
2. How credible is the source?
It has now been reported by multiple US outlets that the source of the Trump dossier is a retired former British spy.
He is believed to have spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and a senior government source told MotherJones "he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government."
The source, now a private consultant, was initially asked to investigate Trump's links to Russia by a Republican rival.
3. Did it have any effect on the US election?
President Barack Obama expelled 35 Russian suspected spies and imposed sanctions on two Russian intelligence agencies last week for alleged Kremlin involvement in hacking that intelligence officials said aimed to help the Republican Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the November 8 election
4. Will there be a full investigation of the claims?
Opposition leaders have jumped on the latest scandal, and demanded a full inquiry.
5. Will it stop Donald Trump becoming President?
It appears very unlikely.

Time will tell whether this is fake, a half-truth, or the real enchilada. This may become Trump's Benghazi.
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Message 105 of 4573 (797120)
01-11-2017 10:20 PM
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01-11-2017 2:32 PM


BBC and the new tape scandal
caveat: this source is from RawStory
quote:
BBC correspondent: Ex-British intelligence officer ‘not the only source’ for Russia’s Trump dossier
The existence of a compromising Russian dossier on President-elect Donald Trump has been confirmed by multiple sources, BBC Washington Correspondent Paul Wood revealed on Wednesday.
During a BBC 4 radio broadcast on Wednesday, Wood revealed that the former British spy was not the only source claiming to have knowledge that Russia is possession of sex tapes that could embarrass the president-elect.
The rumors or the allegations or whatever you want to call them have been circulating for a number of months now, Wood explained. I saw the report, compiled by the former British intelligence officer, back in October. He is not, and this is the crucial thing, the only source for this.
Wood said that he had been told by a member of the U.S. intelligence community that at least one East European intelligence service was aware that the Russians had kompromat or compromising material on Mr. Trump.
Now I don't know about you, but I tend to think BBC is a fairly impartial mainstream media news, and that anyone affiliated with them would not want to put out information that was fake if they valued their job.
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Message 106 of 4573 (797156)
01-13-2017 8:19 AM
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01-11-2017 10:20 PM


Russian Mob Bailout for Trump Bankruptcies
The other thing making the rounds (here by DailyKos) is the claim that the Russian Mob bailed him out from his last bankruptcy ...
quote:
Donald Trump was bailed out of bankruptcy by Russia crime bosses
In 2008, Donald Trump Jr. attended a real estate conference, where he stated that
Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.
As it turns out, that may have been an understatement. Human rights lawyer Scott Horton, whose work in the region goes back to defending Andrei Sakharov and other Soviet dissidents, has gone through a series of studies by the Financial Times to show how funds from Russian crime lords bailed Trump out after yet anther bankruptcy. The conclusions are stark.
Among the powerful facts that DNI missed were a series of very deep studies published in the [Financial Times] that examined the structure and history of several major Trump real estate projects from the last decadethe period after his seventh bankruptcy and the cancellation of all his bank lines of credit. ...
The money to build these projects flowed almost entirely from Russian sources. In other words, after his business crashed, Trump was floated and made to appear to operate a successful business enterprise through the infusion of hundreds in millions of cash from dark Russian sources.
He was their man.
Horton’s analysis comes from piecing together information in three Financial Times deep reports. One of these focused on Sergei Millian, the head of the Russian American Chamber of Commerce in the US at the time of Trump Jr.’s money pouring in from Russia claim.
The second Financial Times article puts Trump at the middle of a money laundering scheme, in which his real estate deals were used to hide not just an infusion of capital from Russia and former Soviet states, but to launder hundreds of millions looted by oligarchs. All Trump had to do was close his eyes to the source of the money, and suddenly empty apartments were going for top dollar.
The Trump Organization was a hollow shell and Trump was bankrupt, but Donald Trump the public figure was a successful businessman, a screen behind which criminal activity could be carried out on a massive scale. Throwing his name at every scheme in existence wasn’t a strategy, it was a fire sale on Trump’s respectability. Steaks? Water? Vodka? Fake real estate school? You pony up the cash, and Trump will slap his name on it. Because by the early 2000s, Trump wasn’t just broke, he had nothing left to pawn. He wasn’t a successful businessman, but he still played one on TV. His image had more value than his real estate portfolio.
But the apartments and buildings where Trump held some degree of ownership could be turned into value again. All it took was partnering with foreign crime bosses looking for a place to stash their cash. To inflate the value of his portfolio, Trump had to do nothing other than look away as the dirty money poured in from one LLC to the next. Citizens in Russia, Kazakhstan, and other former Soviet states lost hundreds of millions, but Trump got a cut as looted funds flowed through offices and apartments in buildings that carried those critical gold letters.
Horton’s evaluation of this material in coordination with the declassified DNI report is that Trump actively worked with and for Russian interests.
Snopes has this to say
quote:
Putin on the Ritz
ABC reported in September 2016 that Trump has business interests in Russia, not that the Russian government paid him money.
He later told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, Will I sell condos to Russians on occasion? Probably. I mean I do that. I have a lot of condos. I do that. But I have no relationship to Russia whatsoever."
But an ABC News investigation found he has numerous connections to Russian interests both in the U.S. and abroad.
The level of business amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars -- what he received as a result of interaction with Russian businessmen, said Sergei Millian, who heads a U.S.-Russia business group and who says he once helped market Trump’s U.S. condos in Russia and the former Soviet states. They were happy to invest with him, and they were happy to work with Donald Trump. And they were happy to associate[and] be associated with Donald Trump.
But [Florida broker Daniel] Pansky and [New York real estate agent Victoria] Shtainer told ABC News that purchases from Russian buyers in New York and Miami began to drop precipitously in 2014, when the U.S. imposed economic sanctions on Russia in response to the Russian military incursion into Crimea.
To Russian buyers looking to move money out of their home country, Shtainer explained, the sanctions basically cut off their oxygen.
While Trump has expressed an affinity for Putin, no evidence of a direct monetary link between Trump and the Kremlin has been presented. The question raised by the ABC report was the possibility that Trump might use the office of president to benefit his own finances, while the blog posts asserted that Trump's relationship with Russia had less to do with business than with cozying up to the Kremlin a claim that was not made by the original source of the story.
So the Snopes information does not say that the connection to the Russian mob is false, just that he did not get it directly from the Russian government.
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Message 108 of 4573 (797159)
01-13-2017 9:45 AM
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01-13-2017 9:23 AM


Re: Russian Mob Bailout for Trump Bankruptcies
The information on Trumps financial ties to russians was put out by ABC.
The other main source is the Financial Times
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Message 116 of 4573 (797253)
01-16-2017 9:07 AM
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01-16-2017 6:15 AM


Re: Trump Promises Health Care for All
In a Saturday evening interveiw with The Washington Post Trump promised ...
Worthless baiting.
... Details won't be made available until confirmation of Tom Price to be secretary of Health and Human Services.
Approve him and then see what you get.
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Message 126 of 4573 (797416)
01-20-2017 9:05 AM
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01-20-2017 7:06 AM


Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
Starting with a parade
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Donald Trump wanted a military parade down Pennsylvania Avenue, but settled for a 20-plane flyover
President-elect Donald Trump wanted a military parade for his inauguration today and he’s going to get something pretty close to it instead.
They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade, a source involved in planning Trump’s inauguration told The Huffington Post on Thursday. This would have included tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue. According to the same source, the plan was shot down not only because the roads may not have supported the heavy military equipment, but because the optics would have been too reminiscent of other tyrannical regimes.
Trump’s affinity for military parades was made clear during an interview with The Washington Post published on Wednesday. Being a great president has to do with a lot of things, but one of them is being a great cheerleader for the country, Trump told the Post. And we’re going to show the people as we build up our military, we’re going to display our military.
He later added, That military may come marching down Pennsylvania Avenue. That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, D.C., for parades. I mean, we’re going to be showing our military.
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Message 131 of 4573 (797427)
01-20-2017 10:33 AM
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Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
I do at least take from that, the comfort that someone, somewhere is at least on one occasion being listened to when he says "Are you out of your fucking mind ???"
Sadly the response was that Pennsylvania Avenue would not survive the loads of the big weapons and tanks.

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Message 135 of 4573 (797438)
01-20-2017 12:12 PM
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Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
... Why would we want to waste money to make the roads able to support tanks and other heavy equipment?
So that we would be ready for the UN troops to take over and launch the New World Order [/conspiracy]
So that the army could take over as the first step to taking peoples guns away [/conspiracy]
Sorry, you really need to keep up with AltReich AltNews ...

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Message 137 of 4573 (797442)
01-20-2017 1:02 PM
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Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
Borrowed

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Message 147 of 4573 (797488)
01-22-2017 10:02 AM
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01-22-2017 9:44 AM


Reaction to The Trump Inauguration: Impeachment?
quote:
The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
The effort to impeach President Donald John Trump is already underway.
At the moment the new commander in chief was sworn in, a campaign to build public support for his impeachment went live at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org, spearheaded by two liberal advocacy groups aiming to lay the groundwork for his eventual ejection from the White House.
The organizers behind the campaign, Free Speech for People and RootsAction, are hinging their case on Trump’s insistence on maintaining ownership of his luxury hotel and golf course business while in office. Ethics experts have warned that his financial holdings could potentially lead to constitutional violations and undermine public faith in his decision-making.
The impeachment drive comes as Democrats and liberal activists are mounting broad opposition to stymie Trump's agenda. Among the groups organizing challenges to the Trump administration is the American Civil Liberties Union, which plans to wield public-records requests and lawsuits as part of an aggressive action plan aimed at protecting immigrants and pushing for government transparency, among other issues.
We think that President Trump will be in violation of the Constitution and federal statutes on day one, and we plan a vigorous offense to ensure the worst of the constitutional violations do not occur, said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU’s executive director.
and
quote:
The ACLU files first Freedom of Information Act request on Trump’s business conflicts
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is filing a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) to learn the details of Trump’s conflicts of interest.
Along with being the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump is a billionaire real estate mogul with construction projects ongoing in multiple countries around the world, which could potentially put him in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution. As of this writing, he still hasn’t released his tax returns to the public, making him the first president in decades to refuse what was considered standard disclosure for American heads of state.
In an effort to force the new administration to be transparent with the public, the ACLU has filed a FOIA request with the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the Office of Government Ethics, the General Services Administration, and the Office of Personnel Management between November 9, 2016 (after Trump won the election), and January 20, 2017 (Inauguration Day). The ACLU is seeking all legal opinions, memoranda, advisories, and communications between the aforementioned agencies and the Trump transition team.
Since the election, it has become clear that during the Trump administration the public’s relentless focus on government transparency will be critical to documenting and pushing back against government violations of civil liberties, the ACLU wrote on its website.
Trump took the oath, but he didn’t take the steps necessary to ensure that he and his family’s business interests comply with the Constitution and other federal statutes, said ACLU executive director Anthony Romero in a public statement. Freedom of information requests are our democracy’s X-ray and they will be vitally important to expose and curb the abuses of a president who believes the rules don’t apply to him and his family.
The ACLU points to multiple causes for its FOIA request, including reports that Trump and his businesses are in debt to foreign governments, currently litigating multiple civil suits with more plaintiffs preparing additional lawsuits, and even potential violations of nepotism law by hiring his son-in-law as a White House adviser. On its website, the ACLU pointed out that a bipartisan team of ethics lawyers said that Trump may already be in violation of the Emoluments Clause:
The Framers included this provision in the Constitution to guarantee that private entanglements with foreign states would not blur the loyalties of federal officials, above all the president, the ethics experts wrote in a joint statement. Yet that lesson seems lost on Trump, whose continued significant ownership stake in the Trump Organization forges an unbreakable bond between Trump and a global empire that will benefit or suffer in innumerable ways from its dealings with foreign governments.
Fastest call for impeachment ever.
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Message 149 of 4573 (797496)
01-22-2017 12:52 PM
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Re: Reaction to The Trump Inauguration: Impeachment?
It won't go anywhere, until the Republicans decide that it is time to dump Trump.
The equation for republicans is simple: no Trump means Mike Pence, one of theirs.
quote:
Will Trump Be Impeached?
On the other hand, many elected Republicans, perhaps most, consider Trump to be a threat to their brand and priorities. They worry that Trump is unhinged. (Who, apart from Trump himself, doesn’t?) To see Trump disappear and leave things to Mike Pence, a lockstep party man with all of Trump’s traditional rightist views and none of Trump’s eccentricities or heresies, would be a dream-come-true for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. ...
It's only a matter of time before TrumpleThinSkin does something atrocious, like drum up a war with Iran by trying to make the Intelligence people create fake evidence.
The equation for democrats is a bit more complex: no Trump means Mike Pence, plus possible republican back-lash,
What will tip either equation towards impeachment is public outcry, showing massive opposition. Something on the order of the women's march and satellite rallies yesterday -- the largest single protest in US history -- but something that will have bipartisan support.
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01-22-2017 5:26 PM
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Re: Reaction to The Trump Inauguration: Impeachment?
... It poured rain the whole time, ...
We had sun and temperatures above 50°F -- well above normal, as this point is usually our coldest time of the year, so it looks like even the climate was out to refute TrumpleThinSkin.
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Message 159 of 4573 (797512)
01-23-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Tangle
01-23-2017 8:27 AM


TrumpleThinSkin -- a class act (all of it low)
Please note that they knew it was not going to be huuuge ...
The picture on the left shows large satellite TV screens (I count at least 6) so the people can see and hear (why they group to the left in clumps), while in the picture on the right ... no such screens.
There were individual cities that had more people at their Women's Marches and rallies than he had for inauguration.

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by our ability to understand
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